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>"The classic example of this is the whole "states' rights" canard re: the American Civil War. The states' rights to what, exactly?" The states have rights acc

by nickff 5y ago

>"The classic example of this is the whole "states' rights" canard re: the American Civil War. The states' rights to what, exactly?" The states have rights according to the tenth amendment (the last amendment in the 'Bill of Rights'): >"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

fknorangesite 5y ago
> The states have rights Why don't you answer the question? The Civil War was fought over a state's right to do what, exactly?
- vkou 5y ago
  The declarations of secession by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Virginia, and Texas only mention slavery 83 times [1][2] between them, but if revisionists are to be believed, they were obviously not about a state's right to enslave human beings and to own them as property. [3] [1] https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#Texas https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... [2] That word happens to be mentioned only 11 times in the entirety of the text of Huckleberry Finn, by the way. [3] The word 'property' appears 16 times, and refers to human beings in every single one of those instances.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I like it when people link the actual declarations, because Mississippi's in particular is a doozy: > Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.
potatolicious 5y ago
Indeed you're still talking in generalities: which rights were being asserted under this reading of the Constitution? The quote you provided could mean literally anything, from regulating the sale of beef to taxing bread. I suspect neither hamburgers nor dinner rolls were the subject of the Civil War. Which rights were in dispute?

by nickff 5y ago

fknorangesite 5y ago

> The states have rights Why don't you answer the question? The Civil War was fought over a state's right to do what, exactly?

vkou 5y ago
The declarations of secession by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Virginia, and Texas only mention slavery 83 times [1][2] between them, but if revisionists are to be believed, they were obviously not about a state's right to enslave human beings and to own them as property. [3] [1] https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#Texas https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... [2] That word happens to be mentioned only 11 times in the entirety of the text of Huckleberry Finn, by the way. [3] The word 'property' appears 16 times, and refers to human beings in every single one of those instances.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  I like it when people link the actual declarations, because Mississippi's in particular is a doozy: > Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

potatolicious 5y ago

Indeed you're still talking in generalities: which rights were being asserted under this reading of the Constitution? The quote you provided could mean literally anything, from regulating the sale of beef to taxing bread. I suspect neither hamburgers nor dinner rolls were the subject of the Civil War. Which rights were in dispute?