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Most people going to China to make money don't come there wearing pink glasses. It's a Faustian bargain. Eat your soul for money, and an opportunity to run a fa

Most people going to China to make money don't come there wearing pink glasses. It's a Faustian bargain. Eat your soul for money, and an opportunity to run a factory without being sued by everybody on the day 1. The remaining minority is unfortunately a big problem, and higher up on the status ladder the bigger. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-house-dinner-a6679156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-... Such people come with real delusions. Either delusions of grandeur, or delusions of being so smart that they think they will trick communists, people who grew giving their whole lives to intrigue, and insane political culture which makes GOP look like kindergarteners. The worst kind are ones who come there with genuine believe, and gravity towards fascism. A foul wish for "an orderly society" where they think they will be made into elites https://beyondinfinity.com.au/project-dragonfly-is-google-helping-chinese-censorship/ https://beyondinfinity.com.au/project-dragonfly-is-google-he... I call both types "ones stupid enough to survive." Were they not, they would've been crushed long ago.

manuel_w 5y ago
> that they think they will trick communists, people who grew giving their whole lives to intrigue Please don't do that here.
- baybal2 5y ago
  Why?
  - manuel_w 5y ago
    Because we enjoy HN as one of the few places on the internet where meaningful discussion can still occur, which is what comments like yours ("communists grow giving their whole lives to intrigue") undermine. The world is a lot more nuanced.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      There is nothing nuanced about what mafia-like organisations, which includes communist parties, turn to. They consume their members with life of fear, and strife. One wrong word to the boss, or something allowing others to set you up, and you are killed. It's cutthroat, it's one sided, and is exactly as boringly simple as the history textbook tells. I lived in communist hellholes for 18 years of my life, and I will not be entertaining a wish of people wanting to rewrite these textbooks to say that black is white. It's a bad tendency I see more, and more: people drawing nuance when there is none, for a want of being "nuanced," "sophisticated," "succinct"

manuel_w 5y ago

> that they think they will trick communists, people who grew giving their whole lives to intrigue Please don't do that here.

baybal2 5y ago
Why?
- manuel_w 5y ago
  Because we enjoy HN as one of the few places on the internet where meaningful discussion can still occur, which is what comments like yours ("communists grow giving their whole lives to intrigue") undermine. The world is a lot more nuanced.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    There is nothing nuanced about what mafia-like organisations, which includes communist parties, turn to. They consume their members with life of fear, and strife. One wrong word to the boss, or something allowing others to set you up, and you are killed. It's cutthroat, it's one sided, and is exactly as boringly simple as the history textbook tells. I lived in communist hellholes for 18 years of my life, and I will not be entertaining a wish of people wanting to rewrite these textbooks to say that black is white. It's a bad tendency I see more, and more: people drawing nuance when there is none, for a want of being "nuanced," "sophisticated," "succinct"