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> Germany is part of the problem as long they are dependent on gas from Russia They (and the rest of Europe) will always depend on gas from Russia as there are

> Germany is part of the problem as long they are dependent on gas from Russia They (and the rest of Europe) will always depend on gas from Russia as there are many uses for Gas. Things which can't be replaced by nuclear. This is again something which is just another derailment within this topic. FYI: France, THE nuclear nation now needs that gas because their rotting nuclear fleet is failing it's citizens...which is a winter tradition in nuclear France. > Germany has caused more cancer deaths by using coal than Chernobyl and Fukushima combined, Please spare me the theatre. Nobody needs that. Nobody who's against nuclear is pro coal and as I mentioned above: there is a law to phase out coal COMPLETELY! Imagine that. No coal at all. The current Government wants it by 2030. This is faster than you could build a single nuclear reactor. > deaths that the German government should officially recognize. What are you talking about? German government does recognize that. This is why the law is there. This coal derailment is the most funny thing about this Astro-Turf campaign because it originated in the USA. A country which just last year had a president who talked about "clean coal" and does not have a law to phase out coal completely. So think again: why are you always talking about Germany? > Once they done that they can continue to be anti-nuclear if they want. Why should they? You can do both and this is what Germany is doing right now. Nuclear today has a negligible impact. We'd be able to turn it off tomorrow. It has nothing to do with coal. The only reason coal is still there has been outlined in my previous comment. You chose to ignore that. What I got instead is more from the uninformed Astro-Turf. Are you even aware how embarrassing that is for you?

belorn 5y ago
> Please spare me the theatre Please don't make light of people who died to an preventable disaster. Germany is releasing toxic air into the environment that causes cancers today. If nuclear plants was releasing their waste into the air, causing deaths around them, would you call that theater? I know people here would call it murder. A law to phase out existing practice of killing people in the name of energy is a very low bar in modern society, especially since the only reason is cost savings. Whatabout USA. Whatabout china. Whatabout France. whatabout India. So much whataboutery. We have global warming! I really do not care about any whatabout. If a country is using fossil fuels, if they are continuing today with releasing toxic waste into the air, then they should be called out on it. Coal, oil and gas should not exist in the energy grid. If you have surrendered to the idea that gas must be burned for energy then you are not part of a future without fossil fuels, and long term that means mass extinctions, deaths, famine and ruin. Its clear that you are turning to ad-hock attacks simply because you feel bad for supporting an industry built on death and destruction. Its typical when people feel shame. Maybe in the future you can join the movement that want to remove fossil fuels from the world. Until then all I can hope is that you will start to see the harm fossil fuels does to the world.
- Krasnol 5y ago
  > Please don't make light of people who died to an preventable disaster. As I have explained several times already, not a single death there has anything to do with nuclear. Germany would have exactly the same amount of coal plants with all nuclear plants still there. > So much whataboutery Funny since this post is about Finland and you prefer to talk about Germany while refusing to talk about X. > Maybe in the future you can join the movement that want to remove fossil fuels from the world. Oh so now you are part of a movement to remove fossil fuels? Why don't you applaud Germany for the law to phase out coal COMPLETELY? My guess is: because you don't care at all. You just hopped on the Astro-Turf-train and faced with the facts, you chose to ignore those and scream even louder. Here is even more for you to ignore: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-for-your-wallet-and-the-climate https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuc...
  - belorn 5y ago
    It is a desperate move by the fossil fuel industry to try convince the world that burning gas is the only way to save the planet, under the false pretense that other methods would take too much time. Here is article by researcher for you to ignore: https://www.cfr.org/article/tackle-climate-change-keep-fossil-fuels-ground https://www.cfr.org/article/tackle-climate-change-keep-fossi... The only people who advocate for natural gas is those that either is ignorant or has economical motives. Climate researchers know it, most people are aware of it, the facts has been know for several decades. Replacing coal with natural gas is not a solution. Slowly phasing out coal will result in many more people that will die, blood that will be on the hands of the German government. I don't applaud when people simply plan to, at some time in the future, stop murdering people. Being slightly less of a murderer this year isn't something you get a medal for, stopping being a murder is.

belorn 5y ago

> Please spare me the theatre Please don't make light of people who died to an preventable disaster. Germany is releasing toxic air into the environment that causes cancers today. If nuclear plants was releasing their waste into the air, causing deaths around them, would you call that theater? I know people here would call it murder. A law to phase out existing practice of killing people in the name of energy is a very low bar in modern society, especially since the only reason is cost savings. Whatabout USA. Whatabout china. Whatabout France. whatabout India. So much whataboutery. We have global warming! I really do not care about any whatabout. If a country is using fossil fuels, if they are continuing today with releasing toxic waste into the air, then they should be called out on it. Coal, oil and gas should not exist in the energy grid. If you have surrendered to the idea that gas must be burned for energy then you are not part of a future without fossil fuels, and long term that means mass extinctions, deaths, famine and ruin. Its clear that you are turning to ad-hock attacks simply because you feel bad for supporting an industry built on death and destruction. Its typical when people feel shame. Maybe in the future you can join the movement that want to remove fossil fuels from the world. Until then all I can hope is that you will start to see the harm fossil fuels does to the world.

Krasnol 5y ago
> Please don't make light of people who died to an preventable disaster. As I have explained several times already, not a single death there has anything to do with nuclear. Germany would have exactly the same amount of coal plants with all nuclear plants still there. > So much whataboutery Funny since this post is about Finland and you prefer to talk about Germany while refusing to talk about X. > Maybe in the future you can join the movement that want to remove fossil fuels from the world. Oh so now you are part of a movement to remove fossil fuels? Why don't you applaud Germany for the law to phase out coal COMPLETELY? My guess is: because you don't care at all. You just hopped on the Astro-Turf-train and faced with the facts, you chose to ignore those and scream even louder. Here is even more for you to ignore: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-for-your-wallet-and-the-climate https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuc...
- belorn 5y ago
  It is a desperate move by the fossil fuel industry to try convince the world that burning gas is the only way to save the planet, under the false pretense that other methods would take too much time. Here is article by researcher for you to ignore: https://www.cfr.org/article/tackle-climate-change-keep-fossil-fuels-ground https://www.cfr.org/article/tackle-climate-change-keep-fossi... The only people who advocate for natural gas is those that either is ignorant or has economical motives. Climate researchers know it, most people are aware of it, the facts has been know for several decades. Replacing coal with natural gas is not a solution. Slowly phasing out coal will result in many more people that will die, blood that will be on the hands of the German government. I don't applaud when people simply plan to, at some time in the future, stop murdering people. Being slightly less of a murderer this year isn't something you get a medal for, stopping being a murder is.