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Why do people still care about covid ? Vax your old people, stop getting tested and live like before. The faster we get everyone infected the faster old people

by polote 5y ago

Why do people still care about covid ? Vax your old people, stop getting tested and live like before. The faster we get everyone infected the faster old people who didn't get vaxxed will either recover or die and after that the ones who die we can't do anything for them. Trump was right (by chance) all along, that's just some kind of flu, the only difference is that it's the first time our body sees it.

ryanobjc 5y ago
The flu has been feared throughout history, as it is... frankly quite deadly at times. Now a days we have excellent flu monitoring, and flu shots, and have been able to manage it, also at great cost. But to dismiss the flu, and covid-19 as "nbd" is... not the kind of analytical strength I am expecting on HN. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu At the time of the breakout of Covid-19 in Jan/Feb 2020, the reports on the ground in Wuhan and Italy were pointing to a catastrophic failure of healthcare systems leading to significantly enhanced death rates, CFR of 10% or so was being observed in Wuhan. Yes, everyone knew that not everyone was being tested, but having 10% of everyone you tested died... well that ain't good. And China has a powerful government and can mobilize resources when they feel like it. Witness the building of hospitals in Wuhan in 10 days. Turns out they were probably more like convalescent centers, but they were fighting the multi-generational housing problem where younger sick people would get their parents/grandparents sick (who lived with them, and weren't able to isolate in their apartment/houses). Back then, people noted "if we do this right, then we will be accused of over-reaction", and sure enough that is what we are seeing. Fun fact: by the time the first lockdowns in SF/bay area were announced, domestic flights were down... 97%. All major conferences had been cancelled. Tech companies were already allowing/requiring WFH. If that seems like an overreaction, imagine if Google Search went down in spring 2020... that isn't an impossible situation, after all if staff were spreading covid to each other readily without being aware and having a 1% death rate as a result... that is devastating. The notion that life would have been fine if we just ignored it is kinda nuts considering we had 800,000 deaths to date, and yet our mask effort resulted in the extinction of a strain of the flu, and reducing the pediatric flu deaths from 200 -> 1. Yet still 800,000 deaths.
- JSavageOne 5y ago
  Not sure why you're bringing up the beginning of the pandemic, because 2 years in that's no longer the situation. The case fatality rate in the U.S is currently 1.6%, and we now have a better idea of how the virus works.
foepys 5y ago
Because hospital capacity is limited and despite what you might want, people will still be admitted to the hospital when they caught covid. In Germany some hospitals are postponing "planned operations" and as much as this sound like no big deal, every operations that is not an emergency is "planned" so this affects cancer removals as well. People are dying of cancer because covid patients saturate ICU beds.
- JSavageOne 5y ago
  > In Germany some hospitals are postponing "planned operations" Are these hospitals doing this because they've currently run out of ICU beds to staff COVID patients, or in anticipation of a future influx of COVID-19 patients? Also over 90% of people who die with COVID-19 have co-morbidities. For example, Colin Powel recently died with COVID-19 in his system, but he also had myeloma (blood cancer) and was 84 years old. In any case it's been 2 years now since COVID-19 started. At this point if hospital systems still can't manage this, then that's a failure of the governments and the healthcare systems.
metadat 5y ago
> Live like before The people I know who have been doing this have all contracted covid at this point, unless they are a recluse who doesn't go outside.
- umvi 5y ago
  Pretty much everyone will contract covid at some point, just like common colds, influenza, etc. You can't expect to never get sick the rest of your life, can you?
  - Karsteski 5y ago
    I get the impression that a lot of people honestly believe this. It's comical to see. People wearing masks outside, or while they're locked in a tiny metal box with their family. I've resigned to keeping to myself and my small group of friends for the next few years. Just doing mainly outdoor and private activities, as I refuse to wear a shitty cloth mask for an indefinite period of time everywhere I go

by polote 5y ago

ryanobjc 5y ago

The flu has been feared throughout history, as it is... frankly quite deadly at times. Now a days we have excellent flu monitoring, and flu shots, and have been able to manage it, also at great cost. But to dismiss the flu, and covid-19 as "nbd" is... not the kind of analytical strength I am expecting on HN. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu At the time of the breakout of Covid-19 in Jan/Feb 2020, the reports on the ground in Wuhan and Italy were pointing to a catastrophic failure of healthcare systems leading to significantly enhanced death rates, CFR of 10% or so was being observed in Wuhan. Yes, everyone knew that not everyone was being tested, but having 10% of everyone you tested died... well that ain't good. And China has a powerful government and can mobilize resources when they feel like it. Witness the building of hospitals in Wuhan in 10 days. Turns out they were probably more like convalescent centers, but they were fighting the multi-generational housing problem where younger sick people would get their parents/grandparents sick (who lived with them, and weren't able to isolate in their apartment/houses). Back then, people noted "if we do this right, then we will be accused of over-reaction", and sure enough that is what we are seeing. Fun fact: by the time the first lockdowns in SF/bay area were announced, domestic flights were down... 97%. All major conferences had been cancelled. Tech companies were already allowing/requiring WFH. If that seems like an overreaction, imagine if Google Search went down in spring 2020... that isn't an impossible situation, after all if staff were spreading covid to each other readily without being aware and having a 1% death rate as a result... that is devastating. The notion that life would have been fine if we just ignored it is kinda nuts considering we had 800,000 deaths to date, and yet our mask effort resulted in the extinction of a strain of the flu, and reducing the pediatric flu deaths from 200 -> 1. Yet still 800,000 deaths.

JSavageOne 5y ago
Not sure why you're bringing up the beginning of the pandemic, because 2 years in that's no longer the situation. The case fatality rate in the U.S is currently 1.6%, and we now have a better idea of how the virus works.

foepys 5y ago

Because hospital capacity is limited and despite what you might want, people will still be admitted to the hospital when they caught covid. In Germany some hospitals are postponing "planned operations" and as much as this sound like no big deal, every operations that is not an emergency is "planned" so this affects cancer removals as well. People are dying of cancer because covid patients saturate ICU beds.

JSavageOne 5y ago
> In Germany some hospitals are postponing "planned operations" Are these hospitals doing this because they've currently run out of ICU beds to staff COVID patients, or in anticipation of a future influx of COVID-19 patients? Also over 90% of people who die with COVID-19 have co-morbidities. For example, Colin Powel recently died with COVID-19 in his system, but he also had myeloma (blood cancer) and was 84 years old. In any case it's been 2 years now since COVID-19 started. At this point if hospital systems still can't manage this, then that's a failure of the governments and the healthcare systems.

metadat 5y ago

> Live like before The people I know who have been doing this have all contracted covid at this point, unless they are a recluse who doesn't go outside.

umvi 5y ago
Pretty much everyone will contract covid at some point, just like common colds, influenza, etc. You can't expect to never get sick the rest of your life, can you?
- Karsteski 5y ago
  I get the impression that a lot of people honestly believe this. It's comical to see. People wearing masks outside, or while they're locked in a tiny metal box with their family. I've resigned to keeping to myself and my small group of friends for the next few years. Just doing mainly outdoor and private activities, as I refuse to wear a shitty cloth mask for an indefinite period of time everywhere I go