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Agreed, if any major US markets reintroduce restrictions, I’ll move back to one of them just to vote the governor and health director out in favor of some hardc

Agreed, if any major US markets reintroduce restrictions, I’ll move back to one of them just to vote the governor and health director out in favor of some hardcore health gambler like De Santis. I played along, now they’re done. edit: the responder assumed something that wasn’t said, and then wrote an essay about something thats not happening and an example from Mississippi. Maybe to save time from having a natural flow of conversation, maybe its what they actually beleive. Either way this is called a strawman argument.

dpark 5y ago
> I’ll move back to one of them just to vote the governor and health director out. Am I correctly understanding that you intend to move to a different region for the sole purpose of voting against restrictions that otherwise would not apply to you? You’re literally trying to be a problematic immigrant. I remember when I was in college a bunch of people did exactly this. They registered for residency in the state solely so they could vote a single issue in a state election. Specifically they registered so they could vote for Mississippi to keep the confederate flag as part of the state flag. So you’re in great company. Honestly, isn’t the whole “state’s rights” thing about telling other people to fuck off and let them manage themselves? And here you are thinking you should meddle in someone else’s self-governance.
- vmception 5y ago
  It would be where I’m already registered to vote, dont worry Tie any restriction to ICU capacity and only if efforts were made to expand ICU capacity Otherwise that means the state was only pretending to care because it was easier to govern if people werent doing anything If the state actually cares increase the ICU bandwidth or tell us the challenges encountered doing that and how those are being addressed
  - dpark 5y ago
    You specifically mentioned “any major US markets”. Are you admitting to voter fraud now?
    - vmception 5y ago
      > I’ll move back to one of them You’re reading what you want to read, it was worded specifically and intentionally Its not any one of them, its the one that I am registered to vote in.
      - dpark 5y ago
        You literally said any. But I’m still stuck on why. What is the point in getting yourself involved in something that doesn’t affect you personally? Why is it worth getting yourself involved with someone else’s self governance?
        vmception 5y ago
        Its almost as if I live in and am registered to vote one of the few major counties and states that are prone to reintroduce restrictions, and am not currently physically there right now. The goal being that there would eventually be one less county and state that would consider restrictions.
        dpark 5y ago
        From what you’ve said, you don’t live there any more. But this doesn’t seem constructive so we can let this go.
        School-Cotton 5y ago
        It confused me as well, but I think the “one of them” isn’t bound to the same specific one as “any of them”. E.g. “I’m from New York. If any of New York, Chicago, LA, Atlanta [etc.] shut down, I’ll move back to New York and [etc.]”
        dpark 5y ago
        I guess? That’s just such a bizarre statement. But based on the rest of the thread that could indeed be the intent.
  - chasd00 5y ago
    one thing that isn't communicated very much is ICU capacity goes up and down with need. "ICU at 98%" means it's 98% at that point in time, ICU capacity can be added as needed up to a point. In the other direction a hospital can be at 50% ICU capacity, decide they can dial back ICU beds and then percent util jumps even though they may have fewer ICU patients. Hospitals likely have a target ICU utilization and add/remove beds to hit that target as much as possible.
- arghnoname 5y ago
  Jurisdictions set their own rules for time of residency before being allowed to vote (e.g., registration X days before an election, Y days of the past Z days in the district, etc). Some people do decide where to live based on political considerations. If they are voting in accordance to the rules set by the relevant jurisdictions, I don't see a problem. This happens on "both sides." I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day. I moved to California and got voting materials from whence I came. I did not elect to commit voter fraud and vote, but I could have pretty easily.
  - dpark 5y ago
    > I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day. Haven’t most (all?) jurisdictions supported vote by Mail for absentee ballots since a long time ago? All that vote by mail has actually changed is that people can vote from their homes.
    - arghnoname 5y ago
      I’ve usually voted by mail a few cycles before COVID. Previously it would depend on jurisdiction. In the jurisdictions I’ve lived in, the voter would have to request a ballot well ahead of the election and sometimes claim some allowable hardship, such as an illness that confines them to their home. This is the first year I’ve gotten election material I didn’t request. I had forgotten to deregister, but the crazy thing is the post office told them I had moved because they forwarded a previous letter. They then sent me more material at the new forwarded address in another state. I don’t think this is nefarious, mostly incompetence. I think fraud happens, always has. Voting by mail probably increases opportunistic fraud. It probably also increases voter participation, so maybe it’s worth it in that sense, not sure. However, I think we need to have rock-solid verifiable and trustworthy elections, even if it’s inconvenient and the fraud it is meant to prevent is theoretical (hacked voting machines, other schemes). It’s very unhealthy for a democracy when large fractions of the population distrust the results. We’ve had both major political parties suggest electoral fraud/shenanigans multiple times over the past 20 years. It’s bad stuff.
- zerocount 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure it was hyperbole.
  - dpark 5y ago
    Pretty sure it’s not if you read the rest of the comment thread.

dpark 5y ago

> I’ll move back to one of them just to vote the governor and health director out. Am I correctly understanding that you intend to move to a different region for the sole purpose of voting against restrictions that otherwise would not apply to you? You’re literally trying to be a problematic immigrant. I remember when I was in college a bunch of people did exactly this. They registered for residency in the state solely so they could vote a single issue in a state election. Specifically they registered so they could vote for Mississippi to keep the confederate flag as part of the state flag. So you’re in great company. Honestly, isn’t the whole “state’s rights” thing about telling other people to fuck off and let them manage themselves? And here you are thinking you should meddle in someone else’s self-governance.

vmception 5y ago
It would be where I’m already registered to vote, dont worry Tie any restriction to ICU capacity and only if efforts were made to expand ICU capacity Otherwise that means the state was only pretending to care because it was easier to govern if people werent doing anything If the state actually cares increase the ICU bandwidth or tell us the challenges encountered doing that and how those are being addressed
- dpark 5y ago
  You specifically mentioned “any major US markets”. Are you admitting to voter fraud now?
  - vmception 5y ago
    > I’ll move back to one of them You’re reading what you want to read, it was worded specifically and intentionally Its not any one of them, its the one that I am registered to vote in.
    - dpark 5y ago
      You literally said any. But I’m still stuck on why. What is the point in getting yourself involved in something that doesn’t affect you personally? Why is it worth getting yourself involved with someone else’s self governance?
      - vmception 5y ago
        Its almost as if I live in and am registered to vote one of the few major counties and states that are prone to reintroduce restrictions, and am not currently physically there right now. The goal being that there would eventually be one less county and state that would consider restrictions.
        dpark 5y ago
        From what you’ve said, you don’t live there any more. But this doesn’t seem constructive so we can let this go.
        School-Cotton 5y ago
        It confused me as well, but I think the “one of them” isn’t bound to the same specific one as “any of them”. E.g. “I’m from New York. If any of New York, Chicago, LA, Atlanta [etc.] shut down, I’ll move back to New York and [etc.]”
        dpark 5y ago
        I guess? That’s just such a bizarre statement. But based on the rest of the thread that could indeed be the intent.
- chasd00 5y ago
  one thing that isn't communicated very much is ICU capacity goes up and down with need. "ICU at 98%" means it's 98% at that point in time, ICU capacity can be added as needed up to a point. In the other direction a hospital can be at 50% ICU capacity, decide they can dial back ICU beds and then percent util jumps even though they may have fewer ICU patients. Hospitals likely have a target ICU utilization and add/remove beds to hit that target as much as possible.
arghnoname 5y ago
Jurisdictions set their own rules for time of residency before being allowed to vote (e.g., registration X days before an election, Y days of the past Z days in the district, etc). Some people do decide where to live based on political considerations. If they are voting in accordance to the rules set by the relevant jurisdictions, I don't see a problem. This happens on "both sides." I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day. I moved to California and got voting materials from whence I came. I did not elect to commit voter fraud and vote, but I could have pretty easily.
- dpark 5y ago
  > I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day. Haven’t most (all?) jurisdictions supported vote by Mail for absentee ballots since a long time ago? All that vote by mail has actually changed is that people can vote from their homes.
  - arghnoname 5y ago
    I’ve usually voted by mail a few cycles before COVID. Previously it would depend on jurisdiction. In the jurisdictions I’ve lived in, the voter would have to request a ballot well ahead of the election and sometimes claim some allowable hardship, such as an illness that confines them to their home. This is the first year I’ve gotten election material I didn’t request. I had forgotten to deregister, but the crazy thing is the post office told them I had moved because they forwarded a previous letter. They then sent me more material at the new forwarded address in another state. I don’t think this is nefarious, mostly incompetence. I think fraud happens, always has. Voting by mail probably increases opportunistic fraud. It probably also increases voter participation, so maybe it’s worth it in that sense, not sure. However, I think we need to have rock-solid verifiable and trustworthy elections, even if it’s inconvenient and the fraud it is meant to prevent is theoretical (hacked voting machines, other schemes). It’s very unhealthy for a democracy when large fractions of the population distrust the results. We’ve had both major political parties suggest electoral fraud/shenanigans multiple times over the past 20 years. It’s bad stuff.
zerocount 5y ago
I'm pretty sure it was hyperbole.
- dpark 5y ago
  Pretty sure it’s not if you read the rest of the comment thread.