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It has been discussed many times before - the issue with the SA data is that 80% of the population have been exposed to the virus (either had it or have been va
by volkse 5y ago
It has been discussed many times before - the issue with the SA data is that 80% of the population have been exposed to the virus (either had it or have been vaccinated) so the deaths not budging there can be very misleading for countries with lower vaccination rates.
- tanseydavid 5y agoCan anyone point to an official worldwide number of deaths attributable to Omicron?
- exdsq 5y agoTake this with a heap of salt but I looked for this figure yesterday and found it to be 12 in several sources, but hard to find the official figures. Share them if you do find them!
- stillicidious 5y agoSuch a number would be difficult to interpret, or entirely meaningless, without understanding the classification methods and policies of each constituent region. This also holds true of overall death statistics. Finally with local statistics, you still have political dramatics like https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1473480933579923456 https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1473480933579923456
- cpncrunch 5y agoSimilar situation in Denmark as well. Huge number of omicron infections, but deaths haven't budged and number of covid patients in hospitals are actually decreasing.
- tome 5y agoThis comment links to Reuters, which says "Denmark reports its largest number of coronavirus-related deaths since the start of the pandemic: 57". Where are you getting your data? https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/denmark/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29654645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29654645
- cpncrunch 5y agoFrom google's covid data. It doesn't seem to have today's update yet.
- richarme 5y agoYour comment is factually untrue. 17 people died yesterday. Didn't have this high number of deaths since last winter before vaccines, and from the chart deaths seems to have increased 10-fold compared to a month or two ago. I'd like to see a source for your claim that numbers in hospitals are decreasing.
- cpncrunch 5y agoNo, my comment wasn't "factually untrue". The 7-day rolling average is steady at 9 or 10 according to the covid data on google. It hasn't changed (at least, up until yesterday's data). Things may change now, as there were 57 deaths just announced today. > I'd like to see a source for your claim that numbers in hospitals are decreasing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29644613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29644613
- JPKab 5y agoIsn't the same percentage in the US exposed, either via vaccine or previous infection?
- arn 5y agoThe other related factor is omicron is more likely (than other variants) to infect someone who has been vaccinated or previously exposed to covid. So the number of infected low risk individuals is higher, than with previous strains. The denominator is higher than if, let’s say, delta was let loose in the same population at the same time.
- wholinator2 5y agoTo clarify, omicron is more likely to infect vaccinated or exposed individuals _than the other variants_. NOT omicron is more likely to infect vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people. The wording startled me until I understood the intended meaning.
- arn 5y agoCorrect. Will clarify.
- toolz 5y agoSouth Africa is well under average vaccination rate globally. Also what do you mean by they've been exposed to the virus? Of course they've been exposed to the virus, that's exactly why it's interesting to see how their deaths follow cases. There's no indication that the first world, with much higher vaccination rates won't fare better than South Africa, which seems to be faring exceptionally well relative to other case spikes.
- kelnos 5y agoI think parent meant that they have a high (prior) infection rate, not exposure rate.
- Auracle 5y agoHe means they were already exposed to another variant so they have some immunity. That immunity may very well work better than the vaccines on omicron - I don’t think we’re far enough in to it to have a great idea of that yet.
- BikiniPrince 5y agoThey have something like 23% vaccination rate. It is about as raw as it is going to get. My friends who have it now indicate it is very mild.
- andybak 5y agoGood job we've got your friends as a data point.
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- crummy 5y agoFrom memory, SA has 3.3mil confirmed cases, and an estimated 7.8x total when you include unconfirmed. So roughly 75 percent of the population have caught covid. Plus vaccinations, that adds up to a lot of mild reinfections.
- hammock 5y agoWait, natural immunity is real?
- andybak 5y agoPlease don't post comments like this. It's impossible to work out what your actual point is
- zerocount 5y agoI think it's clear he's referring to the fact that natural immunity has protected most of South Africa and thus, the world is freaking out over Omicron. As was suggested by a doctor in South Africa at the very beginning, which was ignored by governments. Of course, excuses for the South African data not aligning with the whole "vaccines are the only answer" narrative are now being created.
- zerocount 5y agoSure is. There's millions of us walking around without getting shots every six months.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y agoVia previous infection? And if so, you're not concerned about waning protection? It would appear that people even with previous wild/delta infections have hit or miss immunity to omicron.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoYou gotta remember that the vast majority of infections are asymptomatic or mild. We focus on the ones that aren't, for a number of valid reasons, but this also skews the average person's risk tolerance and awareness toward thinking that there's life altering danger in each infection. There's millions walking about who think it's a fake virus because they got a headache and a sore throat for a day while being told that they are at risk of intubation and a range of "long covid" symptoms, and this doesn't meet their experience or that of their entire friend and family circle. Yeah, lots of families also experienced the opposite, but you'd probably be hard pressed to convince those ones that it's a mild disease. Thing is, it's both.