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This comment is parroting Chomsky.
by itisit 5y ago
This comment is parroting Chomsky.
- the-dude 5y agoDoesn't make it less true.
- chroem- 5y agoChomsky spent a good part of his career claiming the Cambodian Genocide was just US propaganda.
- the-dude 5y agoThis too doesn't make it less true.
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoNothing you say makes your comment any more true, either. At the moment, we're at "That's just, like, your opinion, man." [Edit: Do you have any evidence that the NYT is deliberately seeking to manufacture consent? Or even that they are unwittingly being used to manufacture consent? Or are they just reporting what's actually happening, namely that China is manipulating western media? And, even if the NYT is manufacturing consent, that's still pretty much a "whataboutism", unless you're claiming that China is not manipulating Facebook and Twitter. End of edit.]
- the-dude 5y agoDude. This is not Vietnam. Let us compare the NYT manufacturing track record considering ... Iraq. This will not stand.
- the-dude 5y agoSince you've editted, I will use a new comment. Propaganda is among others what to say, or not to say. When to say it. What words to use. 1) Where the NYT uses manipulating western media, I would say China is engaging with world leading social networks. Basically China is buying likes. Big frickin' deal. But the NYT calls this manipulates Facebook and Twitter ( as if they are influencing the companies in itself ). 2) Manufacturing consent implies war : foreign adventures. It is not whataboutism because the US has a track record of these adventures and China has not.
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoDo you regard Tibet as an internal Chinese matter? The US has more of a track record, I'll admit. On the other hand, China keeps forever in a way that the US does not. I asked if you have any evidence. You didn't even hint that you had any, so I will assume that you do not. So we're back to "That's just your opinion."
- the-dude 5y agoAsking for evidence of manufacturing consent is not understanding manufacturing consent. Without being told, the media knows what is supposed to report on and what not to report on.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago"It's clearly true, no evidence needed"? At a minimum, that's not very persuasive to anyone who doesn't already agree with you. But worse, that kind of thinking is how you wind up with beliefs that no external evidence can persuade you are false. It's the same approach of both religious cults and conspiracy theorists. Mind you, you could in fact be right. But the thinking pattern has, at best, disreputable fellow travelers. Be cautious of that pattern of thinking.
- guerrilla 5y agoIn this case it means you misunderstand the model [1] which doesn't require conspiracy or malicious intent. The book they published on it is just a mass of evidence that this is how it works, check it out if that's what you want. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model
- chroem- 5y agoIf a preconceived belief will make you blind to genocide, what else will it make you blind to?
- pphysch 5y agoMight it make you uncritically believe anything the NYT and Washington establishment media claims? Even if their primary sources are extremely dubious?
- chroem- 5y agoMy daily first-hand encounters with China's 50 cent army suggest it's more than just dubious claims. If anything, the NYT is late to the party.
- pphysch 5y agoSorry, but this is just naïve. Washington/NY media invented "yellow journalism" long before the PRC or your scapegoat "wumao" bogeyman even existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Hearst_in_San_Francisco,_Pulitzer_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Hearst_in_Sa...
- chroem- 5y agoNo, I mean I myself am bombarded by people who self-identify as wumao on the various internet forums I visit. I don't read the New York Times or other "mainstream" journalism outlets. The 50 cent army has become extremely pervasive and obnoxious with their off-topic spam over the last 12 months. It's very frustrating to use most of my usual forums because of just how intensely the wumaos spam them now.
- bloqs 5y agoOf course it does, it offers a pervasive arguement that the source is unreliable.
- hutzlibu 5y agoThat would be news to me, src? Quick search suggest, that this statement is just propaganda. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-truth-about-chomsky/2779086 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-tr...
- chroem- 5y agoNice try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chom...
- hutzlibu 5y agoI do not read anything, close of a statement "cambodian genocide is just us propaganda" What I read is: "What filters through to the American public is a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered" a much more nuanced statement.
- chroem- 5y agoAre we reading the same quote? He is calling reporting about the genocide propaganda.
- hutzlibu 5y agoI am reading, he is calling some reporting possible propaganda.
- skavi 5y agothe best propaganda is the correct truth, no?
- BrazzVuvuzela 5y agoCorrect, but Chomsky wanted people to believe it was lies.
- k4c9x 5y agoThis comment is parroting Chomsky critics that stretched pretty damn hard to find some way to defame him. He compared the US media coverage of 2 similar genocides, nowhere does he claim either was "just US propaganda", nor does he downplay the seriousness of either, just that the coverage of it was handled different than the other.
- chroem- 5y agoWikipedia has an entire section dedicated to his denial of the genocide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chom...
- k4c9x 5y agoOh, I stand corrected.
- WaxProlix 5y agoI don't think that says what you're claiming it says. In fact, my reading of the content is contradictory to my reading of your comments. Am I missing something?
- chroem- 5y agoAre the quotes where he calls reporting on the genocide, propaganda, not good enough for you?