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At this point all Covid restrictions need to be gone. It’s time to go back to normal. Triple vaxxed people are not dying and are barely being hospitalized. Kid

At this point all Covid restrictions need to be gone. It’s time to go back to normal. Triple vaxxed people are not dying and are barely being hospitalized. Kids can be vaccinated and now there’s antiviral pills. All empirical data shows that if you’re boosted you’re fine. It’s over. It’s time to stop listening to Doomer politicians and bureaucrats until vaccinated people start dying at rates similar to March 2020.

josefresco 5y ago
Over?! Anecdotally my local hospital is full and a neighboring state had to call up the National Guard. Maybe not the same crisis level of 2020, but it's far from "over".
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Yes I’m sure it’s full of people who failed to vaccinate themselves or those whose spots were taken by anti vaxxers.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- Reichhardt 5y ago
  Hospitals fill up every winter from respiratory viruses. The healthcare system is designed to fill up. There's no point having expensive rooms, machines, and staff sitting idle. Planners forecast seasonal requirements and build healthcare around the maximum. We're probably going to see increased demands on hospitals simply due to the larger numbers of old people. For example, 2009 Swine Flu (remember that?) is about as deadly as 2020 COVID. But now in eg. the USA, there are 2.9m 80-84 year old men (elderly men are in the prime risk category for COVID deaths), compared to 2.3m in 2009: https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2009/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2... These demographic trends were exacerbated by weak flu seasons in 2018 and 2019. Crises always bring light to pre-existing failures in systems. COVID is simply exposing Western societies as aged, overweight, and Vitamin-D deficient.
  - josefresco 5y ago
    > Hospitals fill up every winter from respiratory viruses. No, they don't "fill up". > The healthcare system is designed to fill up. No, the generalized ideal occupancy rate is about 85%. The smaller the hospital, the lower the ideal occupancy rate. My local hospital is at 115%. All elective surgeries have been cancelled. This is not normal by any stretch of the imagination.
Barrin92 5y ago
>It’s time to stop listening to Doomer politicians and bureaucrats until vaccinated people start dying at rates similar to March 2020. people overall are still dying at comparable rates to the first two waves right now (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html) Covid deaths in 2021 will outnumber 2020 and currently both hospitalization and death rates are not extremely far off from the first wave. Of course vaccinated people are better protected, but the "it's over" thing is kind of meaningless. And right now this is before the holidays and new years. Omicron is probably not even remotely close to having peaked yet.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Vaccinated people are not. If people don’t want to be vaccinated and want to take the risk, fine. The supermajority of the country is fully vaccinated. It’s time to move on.
  - chinathrow 5y ago
    There is no moving on while e.g. heart patients in need of urgent surgeries need to wait for weeks to get a guaranteed ICU bed after surgery. Is this so difficult to understand?
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      That’s happening because this country is allowing unvaccinated people to hold everything hostage. Low priority for Covid treatment if you’re not vaccinated. Problem solved. If you want anti vaxxers to hold the entire medical infrastructure of the country hostage indefinitely be my guest.
      - cweagans 5y ago
        I'm guessing you've never worked in healthcare.
- jerlam 5y ago
ascendantlogic 5y ago
While I'm inclined to agree that the outlook now is better than the onset of the pandemic, this antiviral was just approved and only with an emergency use authorization. I think until there's more than enough of this to go around and we see actual hospitalization rates go down to "normal" even in the face of infection spikes, we're still not completely ready to say this is "over".
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Among vaccinated people hospitalization rates have plummeted.
chinathrow 5y ago
It's not over until hospitals are back to normal. Until then, the vaccinated population is still held hostage by the antivaxxers.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Yeah I know. Ridiculous.

josefresco 5y ago

Over?! Anecdotally my local hospital is full and a neighboring state had to call up the National Guard. Maybe not the same crisis level of 2020, but it's far from "over".

endisneigh 5y ago
Yes I’m sure it’s full of people who failed to vaccinate themselves or those whose spots were taken by anti vaxxers.
- deleted 5y ago
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Reichhardt 5y ago
Hospitals fill up every winter from respiratory viruses. The healthcare system is designed to fill up. There's no point having expensive rooms, machines, and staff sitting idle. Planners forecast seasonal requirements and build healthcare around the maximum. We're probably going to see increased demands on hospitals simply due to the larger numbers of old people. For example, 2009 Swine Flu (remember that?) is about as deadly as 2020 COVID. But now in eg. the USA, there are 2.9m 80-84 year old men (elderly men are in the prime risk category for COVID deaths), compared to 2.3m in 2009: https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2009/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2... These demographic trends were exacerbated by weak flu seasons in 2018 and 2019. Crises always bring light to pre-existing failures in systems. COVID is simply exposing Western societies as aged, overweight, and Vitamin-D deficient.
- josefresco 5y ago
  > Hospitals fill up every winter from respiratory viruses. No, they don't "fill up". > The healthcare system is designed to fill up. No, the generalized ideal occupancy rate is about 85%. The smaller the hospital, the lower the ideal occupancy rate. My local hospital is at 115%. All elective surgeries have been cancelled. This is not normal by any stretch of the imagination.

Barrin92 5y ago

>It’s time to stop listening to Doomer politicians and bureaucrats until vaccinated people start dying at rates similar to March 2020. people overall are still dying at comparable rates to the first two waves right now (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html) Covid deaths in 2021 will outnumber 2020 and currently both hospitalization and death rates are not extremely far off from the first wave. Of course vaccinated people are better protected, but the "it's over" thing is kind of meaningless. And right now this is before the holidays and new years. Omicron is probably not even remotely close to having peaked yet.

endisneigh 5y ago
Vaccinated people are not. If people don’t want to be vaccinated and want to take the risk, fine. The supermajority of the country is fully vaccinated. It’s time to move on.
- chinathrow 5y ago
  There is no moving on while e.g. heart patients in need of urgent surgeries need to wait for weeks to get a guaranteed ICU bed after surgery. Is this so difficult to understand?
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    That’s happening because this country is allowing unvaccinated people to hold everything hostage. Low priority for Covid treatment if you’re not vaccinated. Problem solved. If you want anti vaxxers to hold the entire medical infrastructure of the country hostage indefinitely be my guest.
    - cweagans 5y ago
      I'm guessing you've never worked in healthcare.
jerlam 5y ago

ascendantlogic 5y ago

While I'm inclined to agree that the outlook now is better than the onset of the pandemic, this antiviral was just approved and only with an emergency use authorization. I think until there's more than enough of this to go around and we see actual hospitalization rates go down to "normal" even in the face of infection spikes, we're still not completely ready to say this is "over".

endisneigh 5y ago
Among vaccinated people hospitalization rates have plummeted.

chinathrow 5y ago

It's not over until hospitals are back to normal. Until then, the vaccinated population is still held hostage by the antivaxxers.

endisneigh 5y ago
Yeah I know. Ridiculous.