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Now that I think about it, in my dialect "beer" does sound differently from "één" and "been". "been" sounds close to its Standaardnederlands pronunciation, whil

Now that I think about it, in my dialect "beer" does sound differently from "één" and "been". "been" sounds close to its Standaardnederlands pronunciation, while the "ee" in "één" en "been" becomes a diphtong (or at least I think that's the correct term; I'm not a linguist). That might to some underlying fundamental difference between those words, maybe?

teekert 5y ago
I'll look up some examples, but for now, ee (as in "been") sounds like the English "a", so Dutch "been" sounds like English "bane". The ee in "beer" (and "peer") sounds more like I say "bir" (in Dutch, perhaps with a bit longer "i" sound).
teekert 5y ago
So, do these 2 ee sounds sound the same to you: https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=tra... and https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=tra... ? Not to me :) But it's difficult to articulate.
- roelschroeven 5y ago
  No, now that I pay close attention to it I do hear a difference. "Been" sounds like English "bane" indeed, "beer" goes a bit in the direction of English "beer". I would never have noticed on my own. I don't think there's difference between the two in the south, but maybe there is and I just never heard it. (Of course we pronounce the "ee" differently anyway (more like the Luxemburgish pronunciation on https://nl.forvo.com/word/ee/ https://nl.forvo.com/word/ee/ than the Dutch one), and our "r" is different too, hence also the transition from "ee" to "r"; maybe that changes the whole thing.)
- CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
  I see now what you mean, it's less of a difference than I thought you meant. In my mind it was the "r" sound that you pronounce differently but listening to it it's actually the ee that's different.

teekert 5y ago

I'll look up some examples, but for now, ee (as in "been") sounds like the English "a", so Dutch "been" sounds like English "bane". The ee in "beer" (and "peer") sounds more like I say "bir" (in Dutch, perhaps with a bit longer "i" sound).

teekert 5y ago

So, do these 2 ee sounds sound the same to you: https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=tra... and https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=tra... ? Not to me :) But it's difficult to articulate.

roelschroeven 5y ago
No, now that I pay close attention to it I do hear a difference. "Been" sounds like English "bane" indeed, "beer" goes a bit in the direction of English "beer". I would never have noticed on my own. I don't think there's difference between the two in the south, but maybe there is and I just never heard it. (Of course we pronounce the "ee" differently anyway (more like the Luxemburgish pronunciation on https://nl.forvo.com/word/ee/ https://nl.forvo.com/word/ee/ than the Dutch one), and our "r" is different too, hence also the transition from "ee" to "r"; maybe that changes the whole thing.)
CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
I see now what you mean, it's less of a difference than I thought you meant. In my mind it was the "r" sound that you pronounce differently but listening to it it's actually the ee that's different.