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Porsche already makes popular EVs. They also recognize that ICE cars (by all manufacturers) sold today, and for the last few years, are likely to be on the road

Porsche already makes popular EVs. They also recognize that ICE cars (by all manufacturers) sold today, and for the last few years, are likely to be on the road in 2030, probably even 2040. Seems that the introduction of a new hydro-fuel with significant CO2 reduction would be a massive environmental win, for Porsche drivers and for everybody else. I don't think you are doing the world any good by painting Porsche's efforts in a negative light.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Porsche is currently facing a possible scandal about their Taycan batteries. Also, it’s clear their battery engineering is poor based on the battery warranty requirements [1]. Legacy automakers have made very little effort to move to EVs or work towards climate friendly goals, so no, I do not assume positive intent. I see their efforts (just like Toyota’s hydrogen fuel cell engineering) as attempts to maintain the status quo at the lowest cost possible until proven otherwise. If this fuel is truly carbon neutral (which corn and sugar sourced ethanol fail on), does not emit harmful particulate or other emissions, and can be scaled up to support existing engines cost effectively, I will eat my words (Mercedes, in this article, says these fuels are a dead end and is pushing electrification, so I don’t believe this position is without merit). > An apparent hint of Porsche’s challenges with the Taycan’s battery could be seen in the warranty for the all-electric sports car, which happens to be one of the lowest on the market with just 60,000 km or three years if following conditions (Porsche Warranty Requirements) are not met: > Vehicles standing longer than two weeks supposed to be connected to a charger * Customers must assure that the Taycan’s state of charge remains between 20% – 50% * Customers must make sure that their Taycan is not exposed to continuous sunlight > Vehicles standing longer than two weeks not connected to a charger * Customers must charge the Taycan’s battery before to 50% * Customers must check every three months and assure SoC remains at or above 20% * Customers must assure that their vehicle’s temperature is between 0C – 20C Compare to Tesla's battery warranty (8 years across all models, and between 100k and 150k miles, depending on model): https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty You can even park in continuous sunlight. [1] https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-whistleblower-taycan-battery-charger-fires-coverup/ https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-whistleblower-taycan-batte...
- listenallyall 5y ago
  You left out > it is my duty to inform the public with this article while I don’t have hard evidence and therefore can’t confirm the information to be right.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    “Facing a possible scandal” from my quote you replied to. The battery warranty I quoted is public information and documented. The scandal may be nothing, but the subpar battery storage engineering is evident from the warranty terms. Regardless, upvoted for transparency.
    - listenallyall 5y ago
      No, the battery warranty you quoted is NOT public NOR documented. You've offered no proof it is real. Perhaps Porsche makes recommendations, to help preserve optimal performance, but you have ZERO evidence that those terms are disclaimers written into the actual warranty, nor of any warranty service denied due to failing to meet such terms.
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        I will have an investigative reporter I work with reach out to Porsche for comment on the whistleblower’s claims and let them know a Taycan pack will be provided to an industry tear down expert for public stress testing. I’ll also have them contact the NHTSA to see if there’s an open investigation in the matter (separate from their investigation earlier in the year on the vehicle’s sudden power loss events). I appreciate you keeping me honest, and I’ll come back to HN with additional documentation when I have it. I’m either wrong or Porsche will need to make their EV owners whole. Seems pretty straightforward to clear up if there’s any truth to the matter, and no one should be purposely or inadvertently spreading misinformation, including myself.
        reitzensteinm 5y ago

toomuchtodo 5y ago

Porsche is currently facing a possible scandal about their Taycan batteries. Also, it’s clear their battery engineering is poor based on the battery warranty requirements [1]. Legacy automakers have made very little effort to move to EVs or work towards climate friendly goals, so no, I do not assume positive intent. I see their efforts (just like Toyota’s hydrogen fuel cell engineering) as attempts to maintain the status quo at the lowest cost possible until proven otherwise. If this fuel is truly carbon neutral (which corn and sugar sourced ethanol fail on), does not emit harmful particulate or other emissions, and can be scaled up to support existing engines cost effectively, I will eat my words (Mercedes, in this article, says these fuels are a dead end and is pushing electrification, so I don’t believe this position is without merit). > An apparent hint of Porsche’s challenges with the Taycan’s battery could be seen in the warranty for the all-electric sports car, which happens to be one of the lowest on the market with just 60,000 km or three years if following conditions (Porsche Warranty Requirements) are not met: > Vehicles standing longer than two weeks supposed to be connected to a charger * Customers must assure that the Taycan’s state of charge remains between 20% – 50% * Customers must make sure that their Taycan is not exposed to continuous sunlight > Vehicles standing longer than two weeks not connected to a charger * Customers must charge the Taycan’s battery before to 50% * Customers must check every three months and assure SoC remains at or above 20% * Customers must assure that their vehicle’s temperature is between 0C – 20C Compare to Tesla's battery warranty (8 years across all models, and between 100k and 150k miles, depending on model): https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty You can even park in continuous sunlight. [1] https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-whistleblower-taycan-battery-charger-fires-coverup/ https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-whistleblower-taycan-batte...

listenallyall 5y ago
You left out > it is my duty to inform the public with this article while I don’t have hard evidence and therefore can’t confirm the information to be right.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  “Facing a possible scandal” from my quote you replied to. The battery warranty I quoted is public information and documented. The scandal may be nothing, but the subpar battery storage engineering is evident from the warranty terms. Regardless, upvoted for transparency.
  - listenallyall 5y ago
    No, the battery warranty you quoted is NOT public NOR documented. You've offered no proof it is real. Perhaps Porsche makes recommendations, to help preserve optimal performance, but you have ZERO evidence that those terms are disclaimers written into the actual warranty, nor of any warranty service denied due to failing to meet such terms.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      I will have an investigative reporter I work with reach out to Porsche for comment on the whistleblower’s claims and let them know a Taycan pack will be provided to an industry tear down expert for public stress testing. I’ll also have them contact the NHTSA to see if there’s an open investigation in the matter (separate from their investigation earlier in the year on the vehicle’s sudden power loss events). I appreciate you keeping me honest, and I’ll come back to HN with additional documentation when I have it. I’m either wrong or Porsche will need to make their EV owners whole. Seems pretty straightforward to clear up if there’s any truth to the matter, and no one should be purposely or inadvertently spreading misinformation, including myself.
      - reitzensteinm 5y ago