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that's not what liberal arts education means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education but no,

that's not what liberal arts education means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education but no, I weigh them comparably, depending on the specific "arts" you mean. Maths > painting, but philosophy > chemistry.

penjelly 5y ago
> thats not what liberal arts education mean i didnt provide a definition for liberal arts. also your own link is contradictory to your earlier comments... > Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include: Life sciences (biology, ecology, neuroscience) Physical science (physics, astronomy, chemistry, physical geography) Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science Philosophy History Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, and sociology) Creative arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature) this states that philosophy and biology are both liberal arts. Along with physics and other STEM topics. Linking this implies you agree that STEM is important, as much so as Philosophy, which i agree is an important topic along with all those in this link.
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  I think general education is useful, yes - but I was responding to a comment that was hyping up STEM as especially important. Aside from maths, I don't think that's correct.
  - spadros 5y ago
    Your examples seem to all be contradictory though. It seems you have your own barometer for value that doesn't line up with your arguments.
    - beaconstudios 5y ago
      my barometer is pretty simple, and calling them contradictory doesn't make them so: - general education is useful - pragmatic education is a step above general education, and should be prioritised - maths is pragmatic, most STEM is not that's really all there is to it.
spadros 5y ago
If you're judging value by pay, math and chemistry and (and pretty much anything STEM) will kick philosophy's ass. If you're judging value by abstract value, haven't we left the territory of your argument? Aren't you saying we should only give people pragmatic skills and go light on the other stuff?

penjelly 5y ago

> thats not what liberal arts education mean i didnt provide a definition for liberal arts. also your own link is contradictory to your earlier comments... > Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include: Life sciences (biology, ecology, neuroscience) Physical science (physics, astronomy, chemistry, physical geography) Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science Philosophy History Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, and sociology) Creative arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature) this states that philosophy and biology are both liberal arts. Along with physics and other STEM topics. Linking this implies you agree that STEM is important, as much so as Philosophy, which i agree is an important topic along with all those in this link.

beaconstudios 5y ago
I think general education is useful, yes - but I was responding to a comment that was hyping up STEM as especially important. Aside from maths, I don't think that's correct.
- spadros 5y ago
  Your examples seem to all be contradictory though. It seems you have your own barometer for value that doesn't line up with your arguments.
  - beaconstudios 5y ago
    my barometer is pretty simple, and calling them contradictory doesn't make them so: - general education is useful - pragmatic education is a step above general education, and should be prioritised - maths is pragmatic, most STEM is not that's really all there is to it.

spadros 5y ago

If you're judging value by pay, math and chemistry and (and pretty much anything STEM) will kick philosophy's ass. If you're judging value by abstract value, haven't we left the territory of your argument? Aren't you saying we should only give people pragmatic skills and go light on the other stuff?