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I think NSO are scapegoats, because how hard is it for a country to setup up a honeypot device to analyse NSO'a attack vectors and then copy it for their own us

I think NSO are scapegoats, because how hard is it for a country to setup up a honeypot device to analyse NSO'a attack vectors and then copy it for their own use whilst being able to blame it on NSO? I say this because I've had stuff done to my phones in the past, one strange incident with a "hacked" phone was selecting an AirBnB, which I believe directed me to a few of their "safe" houses. Other examples, include batteries going flat over night when asleep despite phone being switched off, not charging but was fully charged before it was switched off. The phone signal is weak when that took place so it would have burned through the battery amplifying the signal, but listening in to people sleeping can elucidate what might be on their mind!

azinman2 5y ago
> but listening in to people sleeping can elucidate what might be on their mind! Once you go conspiracy there’s no end to what seems possible…
- Terry_Roll 5y ago
  Its not conspiracy, if you consume a few grams of lecithin before bed, your dreams will be based on what you saw just before bed. So if you can use a phone to make sounds or says things to someone in their sleep at pertinent moments, you could start having a conversation with them in their sleep or just trigger them to see what they say! You should try it, its fascinating!
  - azinman2 5y ago
    I’ve recorded my sleep many a time. What I say is entirely random and garbage. To suggest someone hacked your phone to listen to your dreams requires extraordinary proof, and would also be far less effective than listening to your day while you’re actually awake. And even then, you need quite a high bar of proof. This is only been documented to occur for high value targets, so unless you’re one of them, I’d be far less concerned.
    - Terry_Roll 5y ago
      You havent had a conversation with someone sleep walking then or just dreaming out loud then? Thats a little different to just recording yourself snoring. Well my proof keeps being nicked or destroyed so the state could make anything up and it does make stuff up.
jprd 5y ago
It is astounding to me that a state as paranoid as Israel has leaned so hard into the far-right that they would actively sell some of that highly sensitive tech to other states that not that long ago had a death wish for Israel as a main position of said state. A state born of hard-edged refugees escaping a world that had recently written them off to die, carried through several existential wars, and now they are EMPOWERING that same evil. Also, please please do not trot out the "NSO isn't Mossad/IDF" nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was a façade to penetrate the infrastructure of states that Israel wanted to monitor. There has never been a more competent, sophisticated, and dedicated group than that of Israeli intelligence. To imagine that they would allow all this as an oversight without some state benefit is not something my brain can comprehend.
- whizzter 5y ago
  I don't doubt the Mossad/NSO link either but as for "empowering and giving away" I wouldn't reach that far. Rather I suspect they were selling it as hacking-as-a-service and the clients they had never actually got their hands on the software or any physical servers (apart from possibly NSO relays), rather everything probably passed through their servers hosted in Israel where they could control that +1 and +972 numbers were never targeted. The people they had as client only cared as long as they got into the iPhones,etc they wanted, I doubt they cared if they had control of the software or not.
- Terry_Roll 5y ago
  You dont have a clue do you! Have you thought your prejudices are being played here, the hatred of Jews goes back centuries its engrained in cultures around the world. NSO were too bloody clever for their own good because they never thought about how their hack-as-a-service could be _spun_ against them. Have you not thought how US companies like MS, Apple, Google do stuff for the US govt, just like when it comes to financial sanctions on Russians, its the US asking the UK to do it. Look at the Ukraine and the NordStream2 pipeline between Germany and Russia, US leaned on the EU to make things difficult for Russia. Look at the criticisms of China's HueWei spying using 5G networks, the fact HueWei hold more global 5G patents seems to be irrelevant to the US except its not because its a classic case of leap frogging in technology whilst older tech patents are milked. Its what you would expect from the leading nation on this planet ie the US to engage in behaviour wise but all this US repression makes those countries double down and come back with something better. NSO is just the latest fallout, but its nuanced and not everyone picks this up when reading the global news. The US is end of empires time, its just natural just like Afghanistan is the only country on the planet to have never have been colonised by an outside force, namely Russia empire, British empire and US empire and how many people knew that?

azinman2 5y ago

> but listening in to people sleeping can elucidate what might be on their mind! Once you go conspiracy there’s no end to what seems possible…

Terry_Roll 5y ago
Its not conspiracy, if you consume a few grams of lecithin before bed, your dreams will be based on what you saw just before bed. So if you can use a phone to make sounds or says things to someone in their sleep at pertinent moments, you could start having a conversation with them in their sleep or just trigger them to see what they say! You should try it, its fascinating!
- azinman2 5y ago
  I’ve recorded my sleep many a time. What I say is entirely random and garbage. To suggest someone hacked your phone to listen to your dreams requires extraordinary proof, and would also be far less effective than listening to your day while you’re actually awake. And even then, you need quite a high bar of proof. This is only been documented to occur for high value targets, so unless you’re one of them, I’d be far less concerned.
  - Terry_Roll 5y ago
    You havent had a conversation with someone sleep walking then or just dreaming out loud then? Thats a little different to just recording yourself snoring. Well my proof keeps being nicked or destroyed so the state could make anything up and it does make stuff up.

jprd 5y ago

It is astounding to me that a state as paranoid as Israel has leaned so hard into the far-right that they would actively sell some of that highly sensitive tech to other states that not that long ago had a death wish for Israel as a main position of said state. A state born of hard-edged refugees escaping a world that had recently written them off to die, carried through several existential wars, and now they are EMPOWERING that same evil. Also, please please do not trot out the "NSO isn't Mossad/IDF" nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was a façade to penetrate the infrastructure of states that Israel wanted to monitor. There has never been a more competent, sophisticated, and dedicated group than that of Israeli intelligence. To imagine that they would allow all this as an oversight without some state benefit is not something my brain can comprehend.

whizzter 5y ago
I don't doubt the Mossad/NSO link either but as for "empowering and giving away" I wouldn't reach that far. Rather I suspect they were selling it as hacking-as-a-service and the clients they had never actually got their hands on the software or any physical servers (apart from possibly NSO relays), rather everything probably passed through their servers hosted in Israel where they could control that +1 and +972 numbers were never targeted. The people they had as client only cared as long as they got into the iPhones,etc they wanted, I doubt they cared if they had control of the software or not.
Terry_Roll 5y ago
You dont have a clue do you! Have you thought your prejudices are being played here, the hatred of Jews goes back centuries its engrained in cultures around the world. NSO were too bloody clever for their own good because they never thought about how their hack-as-a-service could be _spun_ against them. Have you not thought how US companies like MS, Apple, Google do stuff for the US govt, just like when it comes to financial sanctions on Russians, its the US asking the UK to do it. Look at the Ukraine and the NordStream2 pipeline between Germany and Russia, US leaned on the EU to make things difficult for Russia. Look at the criticisms of China's HueWei spying using 5G networks, the fact HueWei hold more global 5G patents seems to be irrelevant to the US except its not because its a classic case of leap frogging in technology whilst older tech patents are milked. Its what you would expect from the leading nation on this planet ie the US to engage in behaviour wise but all this US repression makes those countries double down and come back with something better. NSO is just the latest fallout, but its nuanced and not everyone picks this up when reading the global news. The US is end of empires time, its just natural just like Afghanistan is the only country on the planet to have never have been colonised by an outside force, namely Russia empire, British empire and US empire and how many people knew that?