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From [33] : Candidates who indicated they had a cognitive disability failed the Field Test at over twice the rate of candidates without a disability.
- retrac 5y agoFrench-speaking teachers did relatively quite poorly as well. (The test is available in both English and French.)
- monkeybutton 5y agoIts quite possible the french version of the exam was a badly translated version of the English. I have no idea if this one was, but I've heard that is the case for some professional orders' license exams in Ontario and Québec. Translation to the alternate language is done because its mandatory but it is not done well.
- finite_jest 5y agoInteresting observation. I have not read the whole document, but based on Table 6.2 (page 34 of the PDF) it looks like almost all of the difference between ethnic groups comes from the people who took the test in French: | % Successful (EN) | % Successful (FR) White | 86% | 84% Non-White | 82% | 55% This seems quite strange to me. I am curious to know whether the French version is merely a translation of the English version, or there are other differences? ------------------- PS. I just realized these so I'm gonna add them here. There is a little bit of ambiguity about Table 6.2. Does the it French column refer to people who wrote the French version of the test (as the paragraph [33] of the ruling suggests), or does it refer to the languages the candidate spoke (as the existence of a "English+French" column suggests)? Also, the vast majority of the candidates are Anglophones, so the overall difference is not as large as the above numbers may suggest. Overall, it's more like 80% (Non-White) vs 86% (White). (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28526%2B33%29%2F%28526%2B33%2B116%2B27%29%2C+%281410%2B65%29%2F%281410%2B65%2B234%2B12%29 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28526%2B33%29%2F%2852...) Table 7 of the ruling has a more detailed ethnic breakdown.
- jandrese 5y agoI'm curious why a poor translation would more strongly affect non-white francophones? Why are the whites minimally/not affected?
- mbg721 5y agoProbably demographics; the white Francophones also speak English.
- jandrese 5y agoDoes "non-white French speaker" actually mean indigenous peoples in this case? Is the actual problem being obscured by confusing labeling?
- mbg721 5y agoMy guess was that it means people from African or Caribbean countries with a pre-existing relationship with the UK but whose first language is an uncommon one and whose second language is French.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> I'm curious why a poor translation would more strongly affect non-white francophones? Canadian French, without assuming translation issues, might conceivably more strongly negatively effect non-White francophones, who may be more likely to be part of immigrant communities from (and natively speak the French of) various non-Canadian nations where French is commonly spoken, like (e.g.) Haiti.
- AdrianB1 5y agoJust an idea: maybe non-white francophones are immigrants from countries with a different dialect of French, so even if they are technically francophones they have a serious gap in understanding québécois. As French has an extra challenge in math by the way numbers are composed (ex: 80 is literally "4 of 20", not "8 tens") that makes decimal calculations a bit harder than in English, it can skew the results to the observed numbers.
- contravariant 5y agoMaybe this is an insensitive question but why would you expect people with a cognitive disability to perform well on a maths test?
- quantified 5y agoYou wouldn’t. The data point is there for completeness. At least the ruling didn’t connect “racialized” with “cognitively disabled”.