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Right now we have mini crisis in Poland connected with this US/NSO war. One prosecutor, who is fighting for indepenend judiciary and against her political boss

Right now we have mini crisis in Poland connected with this US/NSO war. One prosecutor, who is fighting for indepenend judiciary and against her political boss, head prosecutor Minister of Justice, smaller party Coalition member, got notification her iPhone has been hacked multiple time by Pegasus. She angried the rulling coalition, after she wanted to investigate illegal vote by mail election, that didnt take place at the end but cost Poland 23 mil USD. The other person that was hacked more than ten times, is famous attorney, previous politician. He was an attorney of opositionfuhrer Donald Tusk, former PM. He was representing multiple high level clients that were suing the government, including one that was scammed by the head of rulling party Law and Justice. Hacking took place in times of campaign before elections. Poland is such a crazy country right now. If you can write an email to ur congressman to fight for biggest US investment in Poland, TVN tv station that sheds light on this corrupt government. They are trying to make the owner (Discovery) sell TVN, worth one billion USD

mzs 5y ago
Could you please name: > One prosecutor, who is fighting for > The other person that was hacked more than ten times, is famous attorney edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29648072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29648072
- qnsi 5y ago
  as mentioned by a sibling. You can read about it here https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-spyware-scandal-stokes-up-tensions-with-eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-spyware-scandal-stoke...
- artek 5y ago
  Roman Giertych is the attorney and Ewa Wrzosek is the prosecutor whose smartphones were hacked.
pzo 5y ago
There is such a polarization right now in Poland between society that let's maybe don't put politics here. I don't like both the opposition and the ruling party but I try to at least read both sides of the story. You are definitely presenting very biased point of view here
- deleted 5y ago
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- simonh 5y ago
  > You are definitely presenting very biased point of view here It’s not biased if the information is accurate, did the hacking take place or not? That doesn’t mean I’m against your side, or for their side. I have no idea, I’m not polish. Both sides must account for their actions, but one side doing bad things doesn’t in any way justify the other doing bad things. That would be what-about-ism. If the ruling party in Poland used Pegasus to hack opposition phones, that’s scandalous and entirely on-topic for a thread about Pegasus.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  This attitude is how democracy dies.
riffraff 5y ago
Hungary also had a scandal about the abuse of pegasus by the government against the opposition and independents. As usual, the EU and the powerful countries who make business there have not made much about it. People complain about the west enabling the Chinese communist leadership, but it's the same for every corrupt government.
- WastingMyTime89 5y ago
  > As usual, the EU and the powerful countries who make business there have not made much about it. You do realise the only reason Poland and Hungary still have voting rights in the EU are because they mutually block sanctions against the other one, don’t you? The recovery funds are blocked and the EU executive is suing Poland for violation of the block law. I think they are doing as much as they can. Obviously from the point of view of a citizen of the EU just expelling Poland would be better - the extension championed by the UK was a terrible mistake after all - but it’s sadly not an option.
  - riffraff 5y ago
    yes, I do realize it, but EU procedures are not all a government can do. For example: Infineon is building a 100M€ plant in HU. The German government(s) could pressure german companies not to do business in countries where democracy is endangered, or where human rights are violated, but it has chosen to not exercise any kind of moral suasion. HU or PL are not Apartheid-era South Africa, but there is more you can do as a freaking head of government then make a "we are worried" statement.

mzs 5y ago

Could you please name: > One prosecutor, who is fighting for > The other person that was hacked more than ten times, is famous attorney edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29648072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29648072

qnsi 5y ago
as mentioned by a sibling. You can read about it here https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-spyware-scandal-stokes-up-tensions-with-eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-spyware-scandal-stoke...
artek 5y ago
Roman Giertych is the attorney and Ewa Wrzosek is the prosecutor whose smartphones were hacked.

pzo 5y ago

There is such a polarization right now in Poland between society that let's maybe don't put politics here. I don't like both the opposition and the ruling party but I try to at least read both sides of the story. You are definitely presenting very biased point of view here

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simonh 5y ago
> You are definitely presenting very biased point of view here It’s not biased if the information is accurate, did the hacking take place or not? That doesn’t mean I’m against your side, or for their side. I have no idea, I’m not polish. Both sides must account for their actions, but one side doing bad things doesn’t in any way justify the other doing bad things. That would be what-about-ism. If the ruling party in Poland used Pegasus to hack opposition phones, that’s scandalous and entirely on-topic for a thread about Pegasus.
user-the-name 5y ago
This attitude is how democracy dies.

riffraff 5y ago

Hungary also had a scandal about the abuse of pegasus by the government against the opposition and independents. As usual, the EU and the powerful countries who make business there have not made much about it. People complain about the west enabling the Chinese communist leadership, but it's the same for every corrupt government.

WastingMyTime89 5y ago
> As usual, the EU and the powerful countries who make business there have not made much about it. You do realise the only reason Poland and Hungary still have voting rights in the EU are because they mutually block sanctions against the other one, don’t you? The recovery funds are blocked and the EU executive is suing Poland for violation of the block law. I think they are doing as much as they can. Obviously from the point of view of a citizen of the EU just expelling Poland would be better - the extension championed by the UK was a terrible mistake after all - but it’s sadly not an option.
- riffraff 5y ago
  yes, I do realize it, but EU procedures are not all a government can do. For example: Infineon is building a 100M€ plant in HU. The German government(s) could pressure german companies not to do business in countries where democracy is endangered, or where human rights are violated, but it has chosen to not exercise any kind of moral suasion. HU or PL are not Apartheid-era South Africa, but there is more you can do as a freaking head of government then make a "we are worried" statement.