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>All of the avenues to contact Instagram are meaningless and don’t lead anywhere. I feel you. I got permabanned from tinder when I emailed their support asking

by zionic 5y ago

>All of the avenues to contact Instagram are meaningless and don’t lead anywhere. I feel you. I got permabanned from tinder when I emailed their support asking how the verification process worked with couples. They replied with a ban notice and I was confused, turns out couples profiles are against Tinders T&C. I hadn't actually done ANYTHING to violate their T&C in-app yet, just asking their support about it was enough to ban for life. To top it off, they embedded a secret key in my iOS keychain that synced across all devices. Even wiping the phone would get new numbers banned on sign in. I ended up having to use a fresh device on a fresh iCloud account on a new number to bypass their ban (I'm a dev with 100+ devices at my disposal and multiple VPS VPNs, good luck Tinder). Tinder can go fuck itself, but they have an absolute monopoly in my area/demographic so I have to put up with them.

endofreach 5y ago
The monopoly on dating is definitely not tinder… it is: real life.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  I wonder. Standards might have changed for the younger population, necessary flirting skills in person are no longer maintained as widely as they used to. Generally, things that are challenging tend to be taken over by technology. It is not that different from how people forgot to orient themselves in a city without navigational apps. Or how they no longer know how to, say, make butter (unlike in 1900).
  - sirwhinesalot 5y ago
    It's not just that, those flirting skills are not safe to use anymore. You can get an harassment charge for touching someone in the arm these days (happened to some lonely autistic kid). Having confirmation of mutual attraction first makes things both easier and safer.
    - dvt 5y ago
      This simply not true, or way blown out of proportion. I'm single, so I go out almost every weekend (West LA): plenty of people flirting, making out, touching, dancing, etc. Dating apps are a complete waste of time when compared to meeting people in real life.
      - t-writescode 5y ago
        Ah yes, West LA is a representation of the rest of the world, and to people with incredibly busy, corporate lives. I've heard stories of lesbian women, especially, FLYING ACROSS THE COUNTRY to meet another person they have interest in because it's that hard to find matching personalities.
    - kelseyfrog 5y ago
      Touch-consent is as easy to do as asking a question. Not really sure what the big deal is.
      - soperj 5y ago
        First you'd need consent to actually ask the question, and prior to that, you'd need consent to speak with the person (you'd have to get that in writing).
        kelseyfrog 5y ago
        Not sure where you're getting that from. I would like to assume positive intent and the best interpretation of your position, but it's really difficult to not read this as "If we have to get consent for touching someone, then we have to get consent for all interactions. Therefore touch-consent is non-viable." Please help me understand how you aren't saying that.
        soperj 5y ago
        As someone who's been on the receiving end of unwanted touches, just keeping your hands to yourself and not asking at all would be perfectly fine.
  - maxk42 5y ago
    People don't know how to make butter? You just shake up milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couD2IawoGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couD2IawoGw
- gretch 5y ago
  This is why the anti-trust movements against FAANG have such a hard time gaining mainstream traction. People start hijacking the word “monopoly” and it becomes incredibly diluted and undermines the credibility of the narrative.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  > The monopoly on dating is definitely not tinder… it is: real life. For how much longer?
Buttons840 5y ago
Perhaps if Congress ever actually considers regulating these companies, whether or not you can get some legit customer service should be part of determining who is big enough to regulate.
lixtra 5y ago
> To top it off, they embedded a secret key in my iOS keychain that synced across all devices. If you’re in the EU or from the EU it might be possible to nag them with data protection request. Of course only if you enjoy nagging.
sizzle 5y ago
Wow never heard of the embedded secret key on you iOS keychain after you uninstalled the app. Is this legal to fingerprint your AppleID like this?? Can you view your iOS keychain and wipe any fingerprinting bs apps leave behind or feed them poisoned data to dissociate your AppleID?
- zionic 5y ago
  No, there’s no way for you to view it. Apps can spin up a new keychain that iCloud will sync and you can put arbitrary strings in there. The user has no idea. I’ve used it myself to persist auth tokens.
  - sizzle 5y ago
    That’s nuts thanks for the info, I hope this becomes a bigger topic of discussion on HN

by zionic 5y ago

endofreach 5y ago

The monopoly on dating is definitely not tinder… it is: real life.

inglor_cz 5y ago
I wonder. Standards might have changed for the younger population, necessary flirting skills in person are no longer maintained as widely as they used to. Generally, things that are challenging tend to be taken over by technology. It is not that different from how people forgot to orient themselves in a city without navigational apps. Or how they no longer know how to, say, make butter (unlike in 1900).
- sirwhinesalot 5y ago
  It's not just that, those flirting skills are not safe to use anymore. You can get an harassment charge for touching someone in the arm these days (happened to some lonely autistic kid). Having confirmation of mutual attraction first makes things both easier and safer.
  - dvt 5y ago
    This simply not true, or way blown out of proportion. I'm single, so I go out almost every weekend (West LA): plenty of people flirting, making out, touching, dancing, etc. Dating apps are a complete waste of time when compared to meeting people in real life.
    - t-writescode 5y ago
      Ah yes, West LA is a representation of the rest of the world, and to people with incredibly busy, corporate lives. I've heard stories of lesbian women, especially, FLYING ACROSS THE COUNTRY to meet another person they have interest in because it's that hard to find matching personalities.
  - kelseyfrog 5y ago
    Touch-consent is as easy to do as asking a question. Not really sure what the big deal is.
    - soperj 5y ago
      First you'd need consent to actually ask the question, and prior to that, you'd need consent to speak with the person (you'd have to get that in writing).
      - kelseyfrog 5y ago
        Not sure where you're getting that from. I would like to assume positive intent and the best interpretation of your position, but it's really difficult to not read this as "If we have to get consent for touching someone, then we have to get consent for all interactions. Therefore touch-consent is non-viable." Please help me understand how you aren't saying that.
        soperj 5y ago
        As someone who's been on the receiving end of unwanted touches, just keeping your hands to yourself and not asking at all would be perfectly fine.
- maxk42 5y ago
  People don't know how to make butter? You just shake up milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couD2IawoGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couD2IawoGw
gretch 5y ago
This is why the anti-trust movements against FAANG have such a hard time gaining mainstream traction. People start hijacking the word “monopoly” and it becomes incredibly diluted and undermines the credibility of the narrative.
kingcharles 5y ago
> The monopoly on dating is definitely not tinder… it is: real life. For how much longer?

Buttons840 5y ago

Perhaps if Congress ever actually considers regulating these companies, whether or not you can get some legit customer service should be part of determining who is big enough to regulate.

lixtra 5y ago

> To top it off, they embedded a secret key in my iOS keychain that synced across all devices. If you’re in the EU or from the EU it might be possible to nag them with data protection request. Of course only if you enjoy nagging.

sizzle 5y ago

Wow never heard of the embedded secret key on you iOS keychain after you uninstalled the app. Is this legal to fingerprint your AppleID like this?? Can you view your iOS keychain and wipe any fingerprinting bs apps leave behind or feed them poisoned data to dissociate your AppleID?

zionic 5y ago
No, there’s no way for you to view it. Apps can spin up a new keychain that iCloud will sync and you can put arbitrary strings in there. The user has no idea. I’ve used it myself to persist auth tokens.
- sizzle 5y ago
  That’s nuts thanks for the info, I hope this becomes a bigger topic of discussion on HN