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So, you don't really think there is an invisible, almighty, sentient being that rules everything in the known universe, with a varying over time definition of "

So, you don't really think there is an invisible, almighty, sentient being that rules everything in the known universe, with a varying over time definition of "known"? And what would be the "naive view"? Assuming that the Bible is stating that such a being exists?

bencollier49 5y ago
The Bible is an account, written over thousands of years, of people's attempts to understand God. Parts of it are impenetrable unless you're on that journey yourself. What goes wrong is when people cherry-pick bits of it out of context: Shellfish, sexual mores, etc.
- RhysU 5y ago
  In a time without modern refrigeration, they may have been onto something with the shellfish.
  - whythre 5y ago
    Or the avoidance of pork- it’s distressingly easy to pick up parasites from consuming pork.
    - phonypc 5y ago
      Only if you feed the pigs carrion and under cook it. There was a big trichinosis issue in the mid-20th century, which is when some people speculated on its connection to religious pork taboos, but nobody really takes that idea seriously any more.
      - whythre 5y ago
        You act like that is the only possible infectious agent. In addition to Trichinosis, Taenia solium and Toxoplasma gondii are also spread in undercooked pork- and those are modern health concerns. The animal eats almost anything and is capable of spreading more diseases than worms. It is no wonder it would be considered ‘unclean’ given the rudimentary cleansing rituals of the Old Testament Jews.
nvahalik 5y ago
> with a varying over time definition of "known" This is called progressive revelation[0]. > what would be the "naive view" That the Bible is no different than, say, the Aeneid, or the Odyssey, or any other epic saga whose purpose is to provide a myth (in the literary sense) as an explanation for why things are, though are not tied to history explicitly. > Assuming that the Bible is stating that such a being exists? The Bible makes clear and explicit claims about its author, where creation came from, how and why humanity exists, as well as its ultimate end. People often criticize those who hold to a Biblical faith as people trust in some "invisible, almighty, sentient being" yet themselves don't actually have any real answers to any of the most basic questions of creation and human existence. [0]: https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1203.cfm https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_...
- hn_version_0023 5y ago
- Maursault 5y ago
  > or any other epic saga whose purpose is to provide a myth (in the literary sense) Saga is an Old Norse word meaning "what is said," borrowed by English-speaking Old Norse scholars to refer to Old Norse narratives. The Aeneid is an epic poem written in Latin by Virgil around 25BC, give or take. The Odyssey is an epic poem written in ancient or Homeric Greek by a single author around the 8th or 7th century BC. The Bible could not be more different, being an anthology of writings of many different forms and many different languages by many different authors composing across the span of nearly a millennia. > The Bible makes clear and explicit claims about its author Please provide two examples from the Bible of clear and explicit claims about it's "author"
  - sockpuppet_12 5y ago
    > Please provide two examples from the Bible of clear and explicit claims about it's "author" Not the op but here are some claims made by the Bible about its origin. 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2 peter 1:20-21 "20 For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit." Exodus 34:27 "27 Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “You are to write down these words, because in accordance with these words, I am making a covenant with you and with Israel.” The Bible does mention that it's been written under divine inspiration at God's request. By the hand of men, but motivated and helped by holy spirit, as the scriptures say. If interested, have a look at some of the frequently asked questions about the Bible that the Bible answers itself. This website uses only the Bible itself to answer questions about the Bible, which is a refreshing take. jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/about-the-bible I'm sure you'll find it informative.

bencollier49 5y ago

The Bible is an account, written over thousands of years, of people's attempts to understand God. Parts of it are impenetrable unless you're on that journey yourself. What goes wrong is when people cherry-pick bits of it out of context: Shellfish, sexual mores, etc.

RhysU 5y ago
In a time without modern refrigeration, they may have been onto something with the shellfish.
- whythre 5y ago
  Or the avoidance of pork- it’s distressingly easy to pick up parasites from consuming pork.
  - phonypc 5y ago
    Only if you feed the pigs carrion and under cook it. There was a big trichinosis issue in the mid-20th century, which is when some people speculated on its connection to religious pork taboos, but nobody really takes that idea seriously any more.
    - whythre 5y ago
      You act like that is the only possible infectious agent. In addition to Trichinosis, Taenia solium and Toxoplasma gondii are also spread in undercooked pork- and those are modern health concerns. The animal eats almost anything and is capable of spreading more diseases than worms. It is no wonder it would be considered ‘unclean’ given the rudimentary cleansing rituals of the Old Testament Jews.

nvahalik 5y ago

> with a varying over time definition of "known" This is called progressive revelation[0]. > what would be the "naive view" That the Bible is no different than, say, the Aeneid, or the Odyssey, or any other epic saga whose purpose is to provide a myth (in the literary sense) as an explanation for why things are, though are not tied to history explicitly. > Assuming that the Bible is stating that such a being exists? The Bible makes clear and explicit claims about its author, where creation came from, how and why humanity exists, as well as its ultimate end. People often criticize those who hold to a Biblical faith as people trust in some "invisible, almighty, sentient being" yet themselves don't actually have any real answers to any of the most basic questions of creation and human existence. [0]: https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1203.cfm https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_...

hn_version_0023 5y ago
Maursault 5y ago
> or any other epic saga whose purpose is to provide a myth (in the literary sense) Saga is an Old Norse word meaning "what is said," borrowed by English-speaking Old Norse scholars to refer to Old Norse narratives. The Aeneid is an epic poem written in Latin by Virgil around 25BC, give or take. The Odyssey is an epic poem written in ancient or Homeric Greek by a single author around the 8th or 7th century BC. The Bible could not be more different, being an anthology of writings of many different forms and many different languages by many different authors composing across the span of nearly a millennia. > The Bible makes clear and explicit claims about its author Please provide two examples from the Bible of clear and explicit claims about it's "author"
- sockpuppet_12 5y ago
  > Please provide two examples from the Bible of clear and explicit claims about it's "author" Not the op but here are some claims made by the Bible about its origin. 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2 peter 1:20-21 "20 For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit." Exodus 34:27 "27 Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “You are to write down these words, because in accordance with these words, I am making a covenant with you and with Israel.” The Bible does mention that it's been written under divine inspiration at God's request. By the hand of men, but motivated and helped by holy spirit, as the scriptures say. If interested, have a look at some of the frequently asked questions about the Bible that the Bible answers itself. This website uses only the Bible itself to answer questions about the Bible, which is a refreshing take. jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/about-the-bible I'm sure you'll find it informative.