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It's a really sad age we live in when acting responsibly and aiming for maximum preparedness is met with cynicism and conspiracy, not to mention this is SOP for

It's a really sad age we live in when acting responsibly and aiming for maximum preparedness is met with cynicism and conspiracy, not to mention this is SOP for most companies with critical IT infrastructure. So we should be weary about any company that runs disaster recovery exercises? We just saw another AWS outage take many significant services offline a couple weeks ago.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
No - it's that if you talk to these "vaccine-hesitant" friends the idea is that the IMF and others want something bad enough to happen (COVID, Cyberattack) so that they can tackle wealth inequality, climate change, the like. Cyberattack simulations is because COVID didn't work as well as they thought. Which I think is a very cynical take - but I'm not exactly thrilled with some of the statements of these organization's leaders.
- thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  I just can't understand why an organization like the IMF, which has a major financial incentives in maintaining the current system and a tremendous amount of power, would just blow it all up. Just like most conspiracy theories, the idea just doesn't make sense once you get past the sensationalism. What kind of power are they seeking that they don't already have?
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    I wish I could say - you'd need to ask them, I guess. I will say that I have noticed that people care far more about the IMF and others than they did pre-pandemic.
    - thr0wawayf00 5y ago
      It's mostly a rhetorical question, because the answers that conspiracy communities come up to basic questions like that often involve insane and fantastical misdirections like pedophilia.
      - LongTimeAnon 5y ago
      - desine 5y ago
        You're the first mention of pedophilia in this thread :-) But also you should realize that after attaining a certain level you cannot be bribed anymore and can only be blackmailed
      - lsiq 5y ago
        Yeah when Alan Dershowitz says on TV that he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn R*thschild we shouldn't read too much into it right? Or when Cindy McCain says that everyone knew what Epstein was doing but no legal entity would go after him. Its fantastical really.
  - desine 5y ago
    It was already going to blow up. Internationally, every country is in a credit hole so deep most will be unable to make interest payments in the next few years. The collapse was coming one way or the other, so the controlled demolition was chosen. Whether you feel it was planned or not, the lockdowns did pretty much halt the velocity of money. Sure they printed a ton of social care money, but again the inflationary trap had already been set, it was the velocity that needed to be killed to buy some time.
  - hammock 5y ago
    IMF's business model is blowing up countries and then buying them for a song. This idea extends the concept.
- twomoonsbysurf 5y ago
- an9n 5y ago
  - dang 5y ago
    Would you please stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - nicodjimenez 5y ago
      This is BS. HN is full of ideological battles about everything from K8 to crypto to globalism. That’s what makes it fun.
      - dang 5y ago
        Did you miss the word 'primarily'? That's the most important thing in what I posted above. These links explain why: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20accounts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... As for ideological battle generally—the site guidelines make a distinction between that and curious conversation, which is what we want here. Not only are they not the same, they're not compatible—for the same reason that having a tank battle and playing frisbee in the park are not compatible, or that boxing and dancing aren't. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20battle%20defeat%20curious&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Many topics here have ideological and political overlap—. That's generally ok, as long as there's a basis for substantive discussion (pure flamebait articles, for example, are off topic). https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... But the question is how people go about talking about them. If they're just trying to smite enemies and using the usual weapons (snark, name-calling, etc.) to do it, that's clearly against the site guidelines and not what we want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- lupire 5y ago
  The IMF is a banking comsortium. it cares about making profitable/predatory loans, not climate change and wealth inequality.
analyte123 5y ago
Does every company publicly announce their disaster recovery exercises? If you read the article, they didn't come out of the simulation saying that they needed to hire more cybersecurity people or upgrade their firewalls; they came out of it saying that they need tighter policy response between banks and governments of 10 different countries and the IMF.
- trumpablehump 5y ago
  The IMF is not a company, it is an international collaborative institution. It makes total sense for such a body to openly describe a need for security improvements so that the people in charge can get motivated to implement them. I am glad that systems are actively and preemptively tested so that issues can prevented. It is the duty for some body in society to do so and I would be incredibly angry if no one felt responsibility to do so.
arminiusreturns 5y ago
There is a long history of taking exercises and "going live" with them. It's ok for us to be wary of these kinds of things, and they are certainly not "any company", because we are talking about "treasury officials from Israel, the United States, the UK, United Arab Emirates, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Thailand, as well as representatives from the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and Bank of International Settlements." Whats sad to me is that entities with a vast history of conducting outright conspiracy get defended as if those of us skeptical and cautious about their true motives are just being cynical. What the financial elite have planned is not even close to just regular old corporate IT department red-teaming... so I find this framing naive at best. "The COVID-19 crisis has since been cited as the main justification for accelerating what is termed the digital transformation of the financial sector and other sectors, which that the World Economic Forum and its partners have promoted for years. Their latest prediction of a doomsday event, a cyberattack that stops the current financial system in its tracks and initiates its systemic collapse, if it came to pass, would be the final, necessary step required to bring about the Forum’s desired outcome of a widespread shift to digital currency and increased global governance of the international economy. Given that experts have been warning since the last global financial crisis that the collapse of the entire system was inevitable due to central bank mismanagement and rampant Wall Street corruption, a cyberattack would also provide the perfect scenario for dismantling the current failing system, as it would absolve central banks and corrupt financial institutions of any responsibility. It would also provide a justification for incredibly troubling policies promoted in the WEF-Carnegie report, such as a greater fusion of intelligence agencies and banks in order to better “protect” critical financial infrastructure." [1] "A massive cyberattack, such as that simulated at Cyber Polygon 2020, would allow faceless hackers to be blamed for economic collapse, thus absolving the real financial criminals of responsibility. Furthermore, due to the difficult nature of investigating hacks and the ability of intelligence agencies to frame other nation states for hacks they in fact committed themselves, any boogeyman of choice can be blamed, whether a “domestic terror” group or a country unaligned with the WEF (for now, at least) like Iran or North Korea." [2] "Ultimately, what WEF-PAC represents is a global organization that aims to neuter anonymity online, whether for financial purposes or for browsing and other activities. It is a global effort combining powerful governments and corporations that seeks to usher in a new age of surveillance that makes such surveillance a requirement to participate in the online world or use online services. It is being sold to the public as the only way to stop a coming “pandemic” of cybercrime, a crisis taking place largely in murky parts of the internet that few understand or have any direct experience with. Having to rely on State intelligence agencies and intelligence-linked cybersecurity firms for attribution of these crimes, it has never been easier for corrupt actors in those agencies or their partners to either manufacture or manipulate a crisis that could upend online freedom as we have known it, something these very groups have sought to implement for years." [3] 1. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/04/investigative-reports/wef-warns-of-cyber-attack-leading-to-systemic-collapse-of-the-global-financial-system/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/04/investigative-reports/w... 2. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/from-event-201-to-cyber-polygon-the-wefs-simulation-of-a-coming-cyber-pandemic/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/f... 3. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/07/investigative-reports/ending-anonymity-why-the-wefs-partnership-against-cybercrime-threatens-the-future-of-privacy/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/07/investigative-reports/e...

gjsman-1000 5y ago

No - it's that if you talk to these "vaccine-hesitant" friends the idea is that the IMF and others want something bad enough to happen (COVID, Cyberattack) so that they can tackle wealth inequality, climate change, the like. Cyberattack simulations is because COVID didn't work as well as they thought. Which I think is a very cynical take - but I'm not exactly thrilled with some of the statements of these organization's leaders.

thr0wawayf00 5y ago
I just can't understand why an organization like the IMF, which has a major financial incentives in maintaining the current system and a tremendous amount of power, would just blow it all up. Just like most conspiracy theories, the idea just doesn't make sense once you get past the sensationalism. What kind of power are they seeking that they don't already have?
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  I wish I could say - you'd need to ask them, I guess. I will say that I have noticed that people care far more about the IMF and others than they did pre-pandemic.
  - thr0wawayf00 5y ago
    It's mostly a rhetorical question, because the answers that conspiracy communities come up to basic questions like that often involve insane and fantastical misdirections like pedophilia.
    - LongTimeAnon 5y ago
    - desine 5y ago
      You're the first mention of pedophilia in this thread :-) But also you should realize that after attaining a certain level you cannot be bribed anymore and can only be blackmailed
    - lsiq 5y ago
      Yeah when Alan Dershowitz says on TV that he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn R*thschild we shouldn't read too much into it right? Or when Cindy McCain says that everyone knew what Epstein was doing but no legal entity would go after him. Its fantastical really.
- desine 5y ago
  It was already going to blow up. Internationally, every country is in a credit hole so deep most will be unable to make interest payments in the next few years. The collapse was coming one way or the other, so the controlled demolition was chosen. Whether you feel it was planned or not, the lockdowns did pretty much halt the velocity of money. Sure they printed a ton of social care money, but again the inflationary trap had already been set, it was the velocity that needed to be killed to buy some time.
- hammock 5y ago
  IMF's business model is blowing up countries and then buying them for a song. This idea extends the concept.
twomoonsbysurf 5y ago
an9n 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - nicodjimenez 5y ago
    This is BS. HN is full of ideological battles about everything from K8 to crypto to globalism. That’s what makes it fun.
    - dang 5y ago
      Did you miss the word 'primarily'? That's the most important thing in what I posted above. These links explain why: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20accounts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... As for ideological battle generally—the site guidelines make a distinction between that and curious conversation, which is what we want here. Not only are they not the same, they're not compatible—for the same reason that having a tank battle and playing frisbee in the park are not compatible, or that boxing and dancing aren't. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20battle%20defeat%20curious&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Many topics here have ideological and political overlap—. That's generally ok, as long as there's a basis for substantive discussion (pure flamebait articles, for example, are off topic). https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... But the question is how people go about talking about them. If they're just trying to smite enemies and using the usual weapons (snark, name-calling, etc.) to do it, that's clearly against the site guidelines and not what we want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
lupire 5y ago
The IMF is a banking comsortium. it cares about making profitable/predatory loans, not climate change and wealth inequality.

analyte123 5y ago

Does every company publicly announce their disaster recovery exercises? If you read the article, they didn't come out of the simulation saying that they needed to hire more cybersecurity people or upgrade their firewalls; they came out of it saying that they need tighter policy response between banks and governments of 10 different countries and the IMF.

trumpablehump 5y ago
The IMF is not a company, it is an international collaborative institution. It makes total sense for such a body to openly describe a need for security improvements so that the people in charge can get motivated to implement them. I am glad that systems are actively and preemptively tested so that issues can prevented. It is the duty for some body in society to do so and I would be incredibly angry if no one felt responsibility to do so.

arminiusreturns 5y ago

There is a long history of taking exercises and "going live" with them. It's ok for us to be wary of these kinds of things, and they are certainly not "any company", because we are talking about "treasury officials from Israel, the United States, the UK, United Arab Emirates, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Thailand, as well as representatives from the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and Bank of International Settlements." Whats sad to me is that entities with a vast history of conducting outright conspiracy get defended as if those of us skeptical and cautious about their true motives are just being cynical. What the financial elite have planned is not even close to just regular old corporate IT department red-teaming... so I find this framing naive at best. "The COVID-19 crisis has since been cited as the main justification for accelerating what is termed the digital transformation of the financial sector and other sectors, which that the World Economic Forum and its partners have promoted for years. Their latest prediction of a doomsday event, a cyberattack that stops the current financial system in its tracks and initiates its systemic collapse, if it came to pass, would be the final, necessary step required to bring about the Forum’s desired outcome of a widespread shift to digital currency and increased global governance of the international economy. Given that experts have been warning since the last global financial crisis that the collapse of the entire system was inevitable due to central bank mismanagement and rampant Wall Street corruption, a cyberattack would also provide the perfect scenario for dismantling the current failing system, as it would absolve central banks and corrupt financial institutions of any responsibility. It would also provide a justification for incredibly troubling policies promoted in the WEF-Carnegie report, such as a greater fusion of intelligence agencies and banks in order to better “protect” critical financial infrastructure." [1] "A massive cyberattack, such as that simulated at Cyber Polygon 2020, would allow faceless hackers to be blamed for economic collapse, thus absolving the real financial criminals of responsibility. Furthermore, due to the difficult nature of investigating hacks and the ability of intelligence agencies to frame other nation states for hacks they in fact committed themselves, any boogeyman of choice can be blamed, whether a “domestic terror” group or a country unaligned with the WEF (for now, at least) like Iran or North Korea." [2] "Ultimately, what WEF-PAC represents is a global organization that aims to neuter anonymity online, whether for financial purposes or for browsing and other activities. It is a global effort combining powerful governments and corporations that seeks to usher in a new age of surveillance that makes such surveillance a requirement to participate in the online world or use online services. It is being sold to the public as the only way to stop a coming “pandemic” of cybercrime, a crisis taking place largely in murky parts of the internet that few understand or have any direct experience with. Having to rely on State intelligence agencies and intelligence-linked cybersecurity firms for attribution of these crimes, it has never been easier for corrupt actors in those agencies or their partners to either manufacture or manipulate a crisis that could upend online freedom as we have known it, something these very groups have sought to implement for years." [3] 1. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/04/investigative-reports/wef-warns-of-cyber-attack-leading-to-systemic-collapse-of-the-global-financial-system/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/04/investigative-reports/w... 2. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/from-event-201-to-cyber-polygon-the-wefs-simulation-of-a-coming-cyber-pandemic/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/f... 3. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/07/investigative-reports/ending-anonymity-why-the-wefs-partnership-against-cybercrime-threatens-the-future-of-privacy/ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/07/investigative-reports/e...