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Hardware is cheap, software is expensive nowadays. And software was the cause of failure.

by schiptsov 15y ago

j_col 15y ago
> And software was the cause of failure. How so?
- schiptsov 15y ago
  Too late, no momentum, no real innovations. Just one Javascript/node.js hype is not enough to push to the market a new product, that should compete with iOS and Android. Try to imagine how big Android is today and what momentum it has.
  - j_col 15y ago
    Momentum that even Google has no control over, and it likely to pull the platform apart into multiple branches (fragmentation). Just look at what Amazon has planned for their new 7" tablet for example, it will be hardly recognisable as Android. They are stripping out all of the Google services and branding. As another example, look at what Baidu are planning to do with Android in China. Again, a completely different branch of Android is forming, it's like desktop Linux all over again (and we all remember how well that went when it came to dislodging Windows). It you had said that iOS had won, I would have thought fair enough (as much as it pains me that iOS currently represents the future of mobile computing), but Android? Really?
    - watty 15y ago
      I agree that iOS has won but the "fragmentation" issue that was spouted since day one is way over sensationalized. If Amazon strips out all of the Google products it shouldn't be considered "Android" but the first true branch. It again reinforces how open Google and Android are.
      - j_col 15y ago
        I agree that it is the first true branch, with more to come. Is Android becoming a mobile OS kernal, rather than a full-stack OS?
    - Maakuth 15y ago
      > Again, a completely different branch of Android is forming, it's like desktop Linux all over again (and we all remember how well that went when it came to dislodging Windows). I for one am optimistic though, as Google-branded Android already is in commanding market position. I think these non-cooperating Android distributions might serve as a good motivator for Google to improve their work.
    - hackerbob 15y ago
      Where there will be at times small or major fragmentation in the branding, Android app development is still the unifying factor, and while apps are still the name of the game in town, Android will gradually gain strengthen.
    - schiptsov 15y ago
      IOS vs. Android is almost the same story as Win 2000 vs. Linux 10 years ago, don't you see? Community of active developers, not mere consumers, is what matters. At least I believe it is Google's strategy. ^_^ And fragmentation issues will self-resolve, as it was in modern Linux world - only strongest will survive. And the winner is Ubuntu, like it or not. Community matters.
ra 15y ago
Actually no, the touchpad processor was below par. WebOS / Enyo is a great tablet OS. The real problem was HP (the new HP) just wasn't commited to WebOS.
- schiptsov 15y ago
  No one needs yet another Android today. Especially investing it its development. The game is over. Google won. ^_^ Update: the key words here are today and investing.
  - deleted 15y ago
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  - ugh 15y ago
    In the tablet market Android is still pretty invisible. Saying that it won is just wrong, at least for the tablet market. It might win in the future but it certainly hasn’t yet.
    - schiptsov 15y ago
      OK, lets name some names. Kindle. Nook. Galaxy Tab. Xoom. All those Japanese, Korean and Chinese vendors who're trying to catch.
      - ugh 15y ago
        Keep up, not catch. That’s doable.
        schiptsov 15y ago
        Oh I get it, it's very clever. Consider what will happen in a not so long run when the money spent by companies behind those brands start to work in full swing.
        ugh 15y ago
epo 15y ago
Lookup "non sequitor".

Hardware is cheap, software is expensive nowadays. And software was the cause of failure.

j_col 15y ago

> And software was the cause of failure. How so?

schiptsov 15y ago
Too late, no momentum, no real innovations. Just one Javascript/node.js hype is not enough to push to the market a new product, that should compete with iOS and Android. Try to imagine how big Android is today and what momentum it has.
- j_col 15y ago
  Momentum that even Google has no control over, and it likely to pull the platform apart into multiple branches (fragmentation). Just look at what Amazon has planned for their new 7" tablet for example, it will be hardly recognisable as Android. They are stripping out all of the Google services and branding. As another example, look at what Baidu are planning to do with Android in China. Again, a completely different branch of Android is forming, it's like desktop Linux all over again (and we all remember how well that went when it came to dislodging Windows). It you had said that iOS had won, I would have thought fair enough (as much as it pains me that iOS currently represents the future of mobile computing), but Android? Really?
  - watty 15y ago
    I agree that iOS has won but the "fragmentation" issue that was spouted since day one is way over sensationalized. If Amazon strips out all of the Google products it shouldn't be considered "Android" but the first true branch. It again reinforces how open Google and Android are.
    - j_col 15y ago
      I agree that it is the first true branch, with more to come. Is Android becoming a mobile OS kernal, rather than a full-stack OS?
  - Maakuth 15y ago
    > Again, a completely different branch of Android is forming, it's like desktop Linux all over again (and we all remember how well that went when it came to dislodging Windows). I for one am optimistic though, as Google-branded Android already is in commanding market position. I think these non-cooperating Android distributions might serve as a good motivator for Google to improve their work.
  - hackerbob 15y ago
    Where there will be at times small or major fragmentation in the branding, Android app development is still the unifying factor, and while apps are still the name of the game in town, Android will gradually gain strengthen.
  - schiptsov 15y ago
    IOS vs. Android is almost the same story as Win 2000 vs. Linux 10 years ago, don't you see? Community of active developers, not mere consumers, is what matters. At least I believe it is Google's strategy. ^_^ And fragmentation issues will self-resolve, as it was in modern Linux world - only strongest will survive. And the winner is Ubuntu, like it or not. Community matters.

ra 15y ago

Actually no, the touchpad processor was below par. WebOS / Enyo is a great tablet OS. The real problem was HP (the new HP) just wasn't commited to WebOS.

schiptsov 15y ago
No one needs yet another Android today. Especially investing it its development. The game is over. Google won. ^_^ Update: the key words here are today and investing.
- deleted 15y ago
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- ugh 15y ago
  In the tablet market Android is still pretty invisible. Saying that it won is just wrong, at least for the tablet market. It might win in the future but it certainly hasn’t yet.
  - schiptsov 15y ago
    OK, lets name some names. Kindle. Nook. Galaxy Tab. Xoom. All those Japanese, Korean and Chinese vendors who're trying to catch.
    - ugh 15y ago
      Keep up, not catch. That’s doable.
      - schiptsov 15y ago
        Oh I get it, it's very clever. Consider what will happen in a not so long run when the money spent by companies behind those brands start to work in full swing.
        ugh 15y ago

epo 15y ago

Lookup "non sequitor".