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I have a hard time understanding why MS is investing so much into VS Code yet so little progress is made on MS Teams (which in theory should be more important t

I have a hard time understanding why MS is investing so much into VS Code yet so little progress is made on MS Teams (which in theory should be more important to them as it has broader usage?).

xxs 5y ago
how do you know they are not 'investing'. It's my firm belief that even if Microsoft did try as hard as they could and they would assemble a whole teams to try and design/implement a worse product than "Teams"... that would be a spectacular failure.
akdor1154 5y ago
I think it's just the team that makes Teams is cut from a very different cloth than that who makes VS Code. Smells a bit like someone in MS saw VS Code's success and drew the conclusion that it must be because it was built with Electron, and if only all the other bits of MS who churn out crappy gunk would use Electron then they'd churn out flawless gold instead. Well, they churned out Teams, make up your own mind I guess.
vladvasiliu 5y ago
With VSCode, they had to prove themselves in order to bring people in. No one would have used it if it were as horrible as Teams. With Teams, on the other hand, they've got nothing to "prove", they just need to show up. Enterprises eat it up automatically because they already use Office, so "it's free". I also don't think they have any hope of attracting people from outside the MS ecosystem, so they don't even try. I'm actually quite surprised they've put out a Linux version which isn't any worse than the Windows one.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Exactly. Developers aren’t stupid and most have experience with legitimately good tools - you’re not going to win them over with a pile of shit like Teams. The target market for Teams however is one that’s often non-technical and has never used anything better, so for them Teams is an upgrade.
watwut 5y ago
MS Teams is adopted as part of office. It does not have to be good. It has to look good at first sight and has to have features higher management needs. But, it is is complete crap for rest of us, it does not matter.

I have a hard time understanding why MS is investing so much into VS Code yet so little progress is made on MS Teams (which in theory should be more important to them as it has broader usage?).

xxs 5y ago

how do you know they are not 'investing'. It's my firm belief that even if Microsoft did try as hard as they could and they would assemble a whole teams to try and design/implement a worse product than "Teams"... that would be a spectacular failure.

akdor1154 5y ago

I think it's just the team that makes Teams is cut from a very different cloth than that who makes VS Code. Smells a bit like someone in MS saw VS Code's success and drew the conclusion that it must be because it was built with Electron, and if only all the other bits of MS who churn out crappy gunk would use Electron then they'd churn out flawless gold instead. Well, they churned out Teams, make up your own mind I guess.

vladvasiliu 5y ago

With VSCode, they had to prove themselves in order to bring people in. No one would have used it if it were as horrible as Teams. With Teams, on the other hand, they've got nothing to "prove", they just need to show up. Enterprises eat it up automatically because they already use Office, so "it's free". I also don't think they have any hope of attracting people from outside the MS ecosystem, so they don't even try. I'm actually quite surprised they've put out a Linux version which isn't any worse than the Windows one.

Nextgrid 5y ago
Exactly. Developers aren’t stupid and most have experience with legitimately good tools - you’re not going to win them over with a pile of shit like Teams. The target market for Teams however is one that’s often non-technical and has never used anything better, so for them Teams is an upgrade.

watwut 5y ago

MS Teams is adopted as part of office. It does not have to be good. It has to look good at first sight and has to have features higher management needs. But, it is is complete crap for rest of us, it does not matter.