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>yes double ee is a long e, still in "beer" (Dutch for bear) you say the "i" sound, more like "bir" That's your issue then, we in the south pronounce it proper

>yes double ee is a long e, still in "beer" (Dutch for bear) you say the "i" sound, more like "bir" That's your issue then, we in the south pronounce it properly ;) What annoys me most about Dutch are the stupid doubling of consonants and removing of vowel rules. Why is it boom/bomen, bom/bommen? Just remove both rules and write boom/boomen, bom/bomen.

teekert 5y ago
I work in the south, still I doubt whether anyone says "beer" with the same "ee" sounds as in "één" or "been", right? "What annoys me most about Dutch are the stupid doubling of consonants and removing of vowel rules. Why is it boom/bomen, bom/bommen? Just remove both rules and write boom/boomen, bom/bomen.", Yeah, for sure, I feel like we need a reset and just remove all the stupidness for the next generation, too much time in school is wasted on this bs. Oh, while we are at it, lets teach them to say 121 as "honderd-twintig-één" (like the English) so we don't have to teach them to first pronounce the first digit, then the last, then the middle. I never thought much about how stupid this is until I got kids.
- CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
  >I work in the south, still I doubt whether anyone says "beer" with the same ee sounds as in één or been. Right? That's exactly how I pronounce it and I didn't even know there was another way to pronounce it until now. I even checked Wiktionary to see if you weren't joking. I guess you don't work over the border south? Counting is indeed very confusing too, I had a lot of trouble with it as a kid and it took a while to get used to it. Until I learned English and other languages and started mixing things up again. But I don't think we can (or should) change that, changing spelling is at least something that's possible.
  - teekert 5y ago
    Hmm, let me pay some more attention to my colleagues next time I hear them speak haha, "beer" (and "peer") really is more like "bir" than like "bee-r" or "been" for me, very different "ee" sound.
- roelschroeven 5y ago
  Flemish here. The "ee" in "beer", "één" en "been" all sound exactly the same, and I've never even slightly been aware that there might be a difference. Both Beertje Colargol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHLl6EXn44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHLl6EXn44) and this NL Dutch Baloe de Beer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbBpgQWvq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbBpgQWvq0) use a simple long "ee", exactly like I'd expect. Unless of course the distinction you're talking about is too subtle for me to hear. Do you have some audio (or audio+video) with a different "e" sound? I'm interested to hear that difference. Obviously there are quite some differences in pronunciation between the North and the South, but this is one I had never heard of before.
  - roelschroeven 5y ago
    Now that I think about it, in my dialect "beer" does sound differently from "één" and "been". "been" sounds close to its Standaardnederlands pronunciation, while the "ee" in "één" en "been" becomes a diphtong (or at least I think that's the correct term; I'm not a linguist). That might to some underlying fundamental difference between those words, maybe?
    - teekert 5y ago
      I'll look up some examples, but for now, ee (as in "been") sounds like the English "a", so Dutch "been" sounds like English "bane". The ee in "beer" (and "peer") sounds more like I say "bir" (in Dutch, perhaps with a bit longer "i" sound).
    - teekert 5y ago
      So, do these 2 ee sounds sound the same to you: https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=tra... and https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=tra... ? Not to me :) But it's difficult to articulate.
      - roelschroeven 5y ago

teekert 5y ago

I work in the south, still I doubt whether anyone says "beer" with the same "ee" sounds as in "één" or "been", right? "What annoys me most about Dutch are the stupid doubling of consonants and removing of vowel rules. Why is it boom/bomen, bom/bommen? Just remove both rules and write boom/boomen, bom/bomen.", Yeah, for sure, I feel like we need a reset and just remove all the stupidness for the next generation, too much time in school is wasted on this bs. Oh, while we are at it, lets teach them to say 121 as "honderd-twintig-één" (like the English) so we don't have to teach them to first pronounce the first digit, then the last, then the middle. I never thought much about how stupid this is until I got kids.

CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
>I work in the south, still I doubt whether anyone says "beer" with the same ee sounds as in één or been. Right? That's exactly how I pronounce it and I didn't even know there was another way to pronounce it until now. I even checked Wiktionary to see if you weren't joking. I guess you don't work over the border south? Counting is indeed very confusing too, I had a lot of trouble with it as a kid and it took a while to get used to it. Until I learned English and other languages and started mixing things up again. But I don't think we can (or should) change that, changing spelling is at least something that's possible.
- teekert 5y ago
  Hmm, let me pay some more attention to my colleagues next time I hear them speak haha, "beer" (and "peer") really is more like "bir" than like "bee-r" or "been" for me, very different "ee" sound.
roelschroeven 5y ago
Flemish here. The "ee" in "beer", "één" en "been" all sound exactly the same, and I've never even slightly been aware that there might be a difference. Both Beertje Colargol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHLl6EXn44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHLl6EXn44) and this NL Dutch Baloe de Beer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbBpgQWvq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbBpgQWvq0) use a simple long "ee", exactly like I'd expect. Unless of course the distinction you're talking about is too subtle for me to hear. Do you have some audio (or audio+video) with a different "e" sound? I'm interested to hear that difference. Obviously there are quite some differences in pronunciation between the North and the South, but this is one I had never heard of before.
- roelschroeven 5y ago
  Now that I think about it, in my dialect "beer" does sound differently from "één" and "been". "been" sounds close to its Standaardnederlands pronunciation, while the "ee" in "één" en "been" becomes a diphtong (or at least I think that's the correct term; I'm not a linguist). That might to some underlying fundamental difference between those words, maybe?
  - teekert 5y ago
    I'll look up some examples, but for now, ee (as in "been") sounds like the English "a", so Dutch "been" sounds like English "bane". The ee in "beer" (and "peer") sounds more like I say "bir" (in Dutch, perhaps with a bit longer "i" sound).
  - teekert 5y ago
    So, do these 2 ee sounds sound the same to you: https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=peer&op=tra... and https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=translate https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=been&op=tra... ? Not to me :) But it's difficult to articulate.
    - roelschroeven 5y ago