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Also, protecting those around you. It's very much in a teen's own self interest to not bring COVID home and put their parents (who support them) at risk.

tharkun__ 5y ago
Disclaimer: Double vaxxed here w/ kids in the process. Too bad that doesn't seem to actually work out that way. People that are vaccinated still get sick enough to spread the virus it seems, especially w/ Omicron, even if they either don't have enough symptoms to notice it might be Covid or don't get sick enough to require hospitalization. That is not to say vaccination isn't necessarily a good idea but it's not a no brainer either because it only has upsides. Unfortunately it also seems that there's no good way to talk about any of this. If you look and talk about the facts, it seems like the anti-vaxxer will hate you and you will simultaneously be stamped an anti-vaxxer by everyone else. Sad days but I guess that's what social pressures do.
- nojokes 5y ago
  I know only one vaccine that might have 100% efficacy after 4 shots. It is polio vaccine. COVID-19 has been so far a scourge - when we get enough people vaccinated in developed countries, another variant appears from developing countries. The vaccine deployments has been just too slow around the world. My hope is that the developing world has seen now enough of the virus and is mainly immune or will be after Omicron has swept over (being hopefully milder than previous variants).
  - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
    Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine. Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/905884740/africa-declares-wild-polio-is-wiped-out-yet-it-persists-in-vaccine-derived-cases https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...
    - nojokes 5y ago
      Well, this is what CDC claims https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur... Yes, I know about this mutated live vaccine. It for sure looked like a great idea on paper.
logic_beats_pro 5y ago
The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.
yz1ruhzh 5y ago
Double vaccinated coworker caught COVID twice, and the second time he told me it was hell. It's not protecting people around you when there is a breakthrough: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...

tharkun__ 5y ago

Disclaimer: Double vaxxed here w/ kids in the process. Too bad that doesn't seem to actually work out that way. People that are vaccinated still get sick enough to spread the virus it seems, especially w/ Omicron, even if they either don't have enough symptoms to notice it might be Covid or don't get sick enough to require hospitalization. That is not to say vaccination isn't necessarily a good idea but it's not a no brainer either because it only has upsides. Unfortunately it also seems that there's no good way to talk about any of this. If you look and talk about the facts, it seems like the anti-vaxxer will hate you and you will simultaneously be stamped an anti-vaxxer by everyone else. Sad days but I guess that's what social pressures do.

nojokes 5y ago
I know only one vaccine that might have 100% efficacy after 4 shots. It is polio vaccine. COVID-19 has been so far a scourge - when we get enough people vaccinated in developed countries, another variant appears from developing countries. The vaccine deployments has been just too slow around the world. My hope is that the developing world has seen now enough of the virus and is mainly immune or will be after Omicron has swept over (being hopefully milder than previous variants).
- logic_beats_pro 5y ago
  Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine. Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/905884740/africa-declares-wild-polio-is-wiped-out-yet-it-persists-in-vaccine-derived-cases https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...
  - nojokes 5y ago
    Well, this is what CDC claims https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur... Yes, I know about this mutated live vaccine. It for sure looked like a great idea on paper.

logic_beats_pro 5y ago

The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.

yz1ruhzh 5y ago

Double vaccinated coworker caught COVID twice, and the second time he told me it was hell. It's not protecting people around you when there is a breakthrough: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...