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FTA >> The U.S. government is pushing Covid-19 vaccine boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds without supporting clinical data. A large Israeli population study, pub

FTA >> The U.S. government is pushing Covid-19 vaccine boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds without supporting clinical data. A large Israeli population study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this month, found that the risk of Covid death in people under 30 with two vaccine shots was zero.

ouid 5y ago
There are many reasons to get a vaccine other than risk of death. For instance, lessening the severity of symptoms. The vaccines themselves are very safe.
- CydeWeys 5y ago
  Also, protecting those around you. It's very much in a teen's own self interest to not bring COVID home and put their parents (who support them) at risk.
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    Disclaimer: Double vaxxed here w/ kids in the process. Too bad that doesn't seem to actually work out that way. People that are vaccinated still get sick enough to spread the virus it seems, especially w/ Omicron, even if they either don't have enough symptoms to notice it might be Covid or don't get sick enough to require hospitalization. That is not to say vaccination isn't necessarily a good idea but it's not a no brainer either because it only has upsides. Unfortunately it also seems that there's no good way to talk about any of this. If you look and talk about the facts, it seems like the anti-vaxxer will hate you and you will simultaneously be stamped an anti-vaxxer by everyone else. Sad days but I guess that's what social pressures do.
    - nojokes 5y ago
      I know only one vaccine that might have 100% efficacy after 4 shots. It is polio vaccine. COVID-19 has been so far a scourge - when we get enough people vaccinated in developed countries, another variant appears from developing countries. The vaccine deployments has been just too slow around the world. My hope is that the developing world has seen now enough of the virus and is mainly immune or will be after Omicron has swept over (being hopefully milder than previous variants).
      - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
        Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine. Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/905884740/africa-declares-wild-polio-is-wiped-out-yet-it-persists-in-vaccine-derived-cases https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...
        nojokes 5y ago
        Well, this is what CDC claims https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur... Yes, I know about this mutated live vaccine. It for sure looked like a great idea on paper.
  - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
    The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.
  - yz1ruhzh 5y ago
    Double vaccinated coworker caught COVID twice, and the second time he told me it was hell. It's not protecting people around you when there is a breakthrough: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...
- WaitWaitWha 5y ago
  > The vaccines themselves are very safe. Most drug development takes from initial research to FDA approval about 10 years[1]. Even with Priority Review, Breakthrough Therapy, Accelerated Approval, or Fast Track programs, the time is in several years. I do not believe you have the scientific evidence to make your statement with great assurance. [1]https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/clinical-trials/drug-approval-process.asp https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/clinical-trials/drug-approval...
  - amznbyebyebye 5y ago
    Exactly, there is no study on the long term effects of these vaccines because they are so new. The good news is we have one in the process in the US with about 300 million people.
  - nojokes 5y ago
    Sure, lets wait till highly infectious new disease has infected everyone because we clearly have plenty of data about its long term effects. /s If you can point out where did they cut short with the vaccine approval, please point it out. One thing is clear - they did not wait till planned AE period was completed but we do have now even more data about AE than we have for any other vaccine so far. I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge.
    - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
      >I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge. Or, the incredibly narrow focus of the mRNA vaccines put enormous evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate. All too often you hear the misconception that only the unvaccinated can act like a petrie dish for mutations, but this can happen just as easily in anyone vaccinated.
      - nojokes 5y ago
        Now how many people where there vaccinated with mRNA vaccines in South-Africa? I propose that if there would have been more, we would possibly not have this variant. We do not see new variants popping up in highly vaccinated areas.

ouid 5y ago

There are many reasons to get a vaccine other than risk of death. For instance, lessening the severity of symptoms. The vaccines themselves are very safe.

CydeWeys 5y ago
Also, protecting those around you. It's very much in a teen's own self interest to not bring COVID home and put their parents (who support them) at risk.
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  Disclaimer: Double vaxxed here w/ kids in the process. Too bad that doesn't seem to actually work out that way. People that are vaccinated still get sick enough to spread the virus it seems, especially w/ Omicron, even if they either don't have enough symptoms to notice it might be Covid or don't get sick enough to require hospitalization. That is not to say vaccination isn't necessarily a good idea but it's not a no brainer either because it only has upsides. Unfortunately it also seems that there's no good way to talk about any of this. If you look and talk about the facts, it seems like the anti-vaxxer will hate you and you will simultaneously be stamped an anti-vaxxer by everyone else. Sad days but I guess that's what social pressures do.
  - nojokes 5y ago
    I know only one vaccine that might have 100% efficacy after 4 shots. It is polio vaccine. COVID-19 has been so far a scourge - when we get enough people vaccinated in developed countries, another variant appears from developing countries. The vaccine deployments has been just too slow around the world. My hope is that the developing world has seen now enough of the virus and is mainly immune or will be after Omicron has swept over (being hopefully milder than previous variants).
    - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
      Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine. Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/905884740/africa-declares-wild-polio-is-wiped-out-yet-it-persists-in-vaccine-derived-cases https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...
      - nojokes 5y ago
        Well, this is what CDC claims https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur... Yes, I know about this mutated live vaccine. It for sure looked like a great idea on paper.
- logic_beats_pro 5y ago
  The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.
- yz1ruhzh 5y ago
  Double vaccinated coworker caught COVID twice, and the second time he told me it was hell. It's not protecting people around you when there is a breakthrough: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...
WaitWaitWha 5y ago
> The vaccines themselves are very safe. Most drug development takes from initial research to FDA approval about 10 years[1]. Even with Priority Review, Breakthrough Therapy, Accelerated Approval, or Fast Track programs, the time is in several years. I do not believe you have the scientific evidence to make your statement with great assurance. [1]https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/clinical-trials/drug-approval-process.asp https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/clinical-trials/drug-approval...
- amznbyebyebye 5y ago
  Exactly, there is no study on the long term effects of these vaccines because they are so new. The good news is we have one in the process in the US with about 300 million people.
- nojokes 5y ago
  Sure, lets wait till highly infectious new disease has infected everyone because we clearly have plenty of data about its long term effects. /s If you can point out where did they cut short with the vaccine approval, please point it out. One thing is clear - they did not wait till planned AE period was completed but we do have now even more data about AE than we have for any other vaccine so far. I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge.
  - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
    >I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge. Or, the incredibly narrow focus of the mRNA vaccines put enormous evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate. All too often you hear the misconception that only the unvaccinated can act like a petrie dish for mutations, but this can happen just as easily in anyone vaccinated.
    - nojokes 5y ago
      Now how many people where there vaccinated with mRNA vaccines in South-Africa? I propose that if there would have been more, we would possibly not have this variant. We do not see new variants popping up in highly vaccinated areas.