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I had also read a few weeks back that Kellogg intended to hire permanent replacements for those on strike. Seems that must not have worked out too well for them

I had also read a few weeks back that Kellogg intended to hire permanent replacements for those on strike. Seems that must not have worked out too well for them... > The Kellogg Company announced Tuesday [Dec 12] that a majority of its U.S. workers have voted against a proposed five-year contract and that the company would hire permanent replacements for the employees who went on strike https://www.npr.org/2021/12/07/1062240467/kellogg-to-hire-replacements-for-striking-workers-who-rejected-a-proposed-contra https://www.npr.org/2021/12/07/1062240467/kellogg-to-hire-re...

jessaustin 5y ago
It seems corporate PR isn't made any more reliable by passing through NPR...
KittenInABox 5y ago
My understanding is that proposed contract that was being rejected was being rejected because it created a perpetual underclass of juniors who would've had less benefits. The union was supporting the striking workers by rejecting the contract in order to ensure all their members are treated fairly.
ceejayoz 5y ago
People flooded the online job application with bullshit. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/10/1063112624/redditors-spam-kelloggs-job-portal-striking-workers-union https://www.npr.org/2021/12/10/1063112624/redditors-spam-kel...
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  This type of action should be illegal. I see it more and more, including spamming political event registrations and things like that. It just doesn’t seem ethical, and gives me cartel vibes.
  - runnerup 5y ago
    It already is against the law and is called ~~'tortious interference'~~ (corrected). If those who are negatively affected by it want to recoup damages, they have an established mechanism for doing so. I'm not convinced we need more.
    - GavinMcG 5y ago
      Tortious interference is the deliberate interference with a contract between the target and a third party, and generally requires the intent to disrupt performance of that contract. Submitting fake job applications doesn't fit the bill: there's no contractual relationship that it interferes with.
      - runnerup 5y ago
        I agree, I mistakenly thought the job portals were those of placement agencies and temp worker agencies. If the job portal is run by a subcontractor (job placement agency) then it could be tortious interference. Perhaps this would fall under fraud.
  - forgotmyoldname 5y ago
    Corporations and political organizations freely spam our inboxes with emails and real mail garbage to milk us for money. I can't possibly get angry at citizens spamming them once in a while. Seems like just a 21st century form of protest--at worst, it inconveniences them.
  - klagermkii 5y ago
    Protest needs to be disruptive or inconvenient in some way to draw any kind of attention or have an impact. Otherwise the complaints can be entirely ignored, but that often seems to be the goal of corporate-sanctioned protest; get everyone who is angry to channel their energy into something time consuming but utterly ineffective. Categorizing a publicly organised protest tactic as a "cartel" seems like a stretch too, especially when on the other side we're looking at a company in a market with maybe three or four major players? If one was casting an eye for cartel-ish behaviour one should probably start with the major cereal companies, before going after a bunch of randos on Reddit.
genocidicbunny 5y ago
Turns out that 'unskilled labour' isn't so unskilled, nor fungible. The replacement workers made a mess of things, including derailing a supply train!

jessaustin 5y ago

It seems corporate PR isn't made any more reliable by passing through NPR...

KittenInABox 5y ago

My understanding is that proposed contract that was being rejected was being rejected because it created a perpetual underclass of juniors who would've had less benefits. The union was supporting the striking workers by rejecting the contract in order to ensure all their members are treated fairly.

ceejayoz 5y ago

People flooded the online job application with bullshit. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/10/1063112624/redditors-spam-kelloggs-job-portal-striking-workers-union https://www.npr.org/2021/12/10/1063112624/redditors-spam-kel...

throwawaysea 5y ago
This type of action should be illegal. I see it more and more, including spamming political event registrations and things like that. It just doesn’t seem ethical, and gives me cartel vibes.
- runnerup 5y ago
  It already is against the law and is called ~~'tortious interference'~~ (corrected). If those who are negatively affected by it want to recoup damages, they have an established mechanism for doing so. I'm not convinced we need more.
  - GavinMcG 5y ago
    Tortious interference is the deliberate interference with a contract between the target and a third party, and generally requires the intent to disrupt performance of that contract. Submitting fake job applications doesn't fit the bill: there's no contractual relationship that it interferes with.
    - runnerup 5y ago
      I agree, I mistakenly thought the job portals were those of placement agencies and temp worker agencies. If the job portal is run by a subcontractor (job placement agency) then it could be tortious interference. Perhaps this would fall under fraud.
- forgotmyoldname 5y ago
  Corporations and political organizations freely spam our inboxes with emails and real mail garbage to milk us for money. I can't possibly get angry at citizens spamming them once in a while. Seems like just a 21st century form of protest--at worst, it inconveniences them.
- klagermkii 5y ago
  Protest needs to be disruptive or inconvenient in some way to draw any kind of attention or have an impact. Otherwise the complaints can be entirely ignored, but that often seems to be the goal of corporate-sanctioned protest; get everyone who is angry to channel their energy into something time consuming but utterly ineffective. Categorizing a publicly organised protest tactic as a "cartel" seems like a stretch too, especially when on the other side we're looking at a company in a market with maybe three or four major players? If one was casting an eye for cartel-ish behaviour one should probably start with the major cereal companies, before going after a bunch of randos on Reddit.

genocidicbunny 5y ago

Turns out that 'unskilled labour' isn't so unskilled, nor fungible. The replacement workers made a mess of things, including derailing a supply train!