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I dislike this article whenever it comes up in that it conflates the NSA activity at the site (TITANPOINTE) with the building in a very confusing way. The build
by jcrawfordor 5y ago
I dislike this article whenever it comes up in that it conflates the NSA activity at the site (TITANPOINTE) with the building in a very confusing way. The building is not an NSA building, it is an AT&T building. The NSA is a tenant, along with many other organizations who use the building for meet-me and internet exchange purposes. It's absolutely true that the NSA has a concerning relationship with AT&T that has evidently allowed them to conduct widespread surveillance at telephone switches, but this article seems to be making a case that the building itself is an edifice of the NSA... which is no more true than an Amazon data center.
It is interesting that the building is nuclear-hardened, but it was started in 1969, which was about five years after it became standing policy for AT&T to nuclear-harden all major long-lines facilities. It's not at all unique to this building and is unrelated to the NSA, nuclear-hardened AT&T exchanges can be found from major cities to small towns across the United States (Farmington, New Mexico, for example), and a large portion of surviving microwave relay sites are hardened. The general standard was roughly for a 100KT detonation at five miles, but some facilities were built for more. The motivation was survivable telecommunications after a nuclear attack, which was primarily a requirement of the US Government which relied on AT&T to build out AUTOVON as a survivable C2 and continuity of government system (and AT&T was generously paid for this work). Alongside AUTOVON, AT&T designed and operated systems like ECHO FOX which provided telephone connections to Air Force One and other national emergency command post aircraft. The end-user client here was mainly the POTUS and Strategic Air Command (later Army and Navy components of the triad), not intelligence.
The choice of architect was a fairly simple one, he was, at the time, a notable architect who was friendly with the federal government (who was in part the client due to AUTOVON and other C2 programs, not intelligence) and had prior experience working on hardened facilities like embassies.
It feels like the author chose this rather confusing way of presenting the issue, conflating the physical building with NSA activity that occurs in it, mostly just to weave in the architecture criticism. The building itself is very interesting, but really does nothing to advance the NSA story and rather seems to suggest that the scale of NSA activity is far larger (the whole building!) than it really is (generally thought to be a single suite on one floor, and far from the only suite occupied by staff of AT&T tenants). What the NSA has seems to basically be an office space, cage, and cross-connect agreement, which tons of other tenants also have... the NSA is just unusual in that the cross-connects go to interfaces configured for lawful intercept (which is more a telecom term of art and not a judgment of the legality).
- redanddead 5y agoGreat reply, reads like something out of a Popular Science magazine
- ctoth 5y agoStarted reading this and thought "I bet this is the computer.rip person" and then saw your username. I really enjoy your articles, thank you.
- jcrawfordor 5y agoI'll shamefully admit that I sometimes end up writing about a topic because I had recently commented on it on HN, but this time it was the other way around.
- oliv__ 5y agoSorry not to add value, but this kind of comment is what I come to HN for
- bredren 5y agoThere is some value in presenting information in a way that regular people would take the time to read and understand. The key here is you are being spied on by your government in the heart of NYC and AT&T is helping. The video with this article takes the motif further with a sort-of X-Files like presentation and set of mysterious sounding voiceovers. From the start, I thought this building reminds me of the one Will Smith’s character reported to in “Men in Black.” To some extent all information in news is editorialized for an angle that draws the reader in. Could it be the truths of this story are so well known to you that it is hard to enjoy the way this is presented? Perhaps, in the same way the TV show “Silicon Valley” is unattractive to some startup founders as too close to home?
- Spooky23 5y agoIt’s an intercept piece, so there’s always the drama and eye roll associated with them. That said, how many cages or suites are leased by an intelligence agency isn’t really germane… the fact that they are or were there at all is the news. The square footage is particularly irrelevant as the building and “condo” owners are known to perform various tasks for intelligence services. Where that building is located and who is served by it make it very strategic, and it’s imo naive to assume that the security, intelligence and counterintelligence services weren’t stakeholders in the building and network designs in the 60s and 70s. (A heyday for illegal behaviors for these entities)