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When was the this golden age of US federal government efficiency?

thereare5lights 5y ago
You probably meant this in jest, but a few projects come to mind such as the federal highways, the moon landing, the Manhattan project. I doubt we'd be able to do that today at at least the same efficiency.
- john_moscow 5y ago
  Most of these projects were driven by competition with USSR. I.e., push for results under limited resources. With globalization we have eliminated it and are now left to rot, splinter and wait until the competition between the shards of the former empire sparks progress again. Except, there's also China with superior morale, superior education and superior efficiency, that might have better plans for the resources left behind a fallen empire...
  - taylodl 5y ago
    The United States appears to only know how to wage war and even that has been iffy since WWII. China is poised to decimate us. They’ve been playing the long game for decades now. What have we been doing? Enriching defense contractors and having very little to show for it.
    - john_moscow 5y ago
      Because the general public doesn't care neither about China, nor about institutional accountability. The media diverts their attention towards conveniently picked unquantifiable problems, so they are busy fighting each other over minor differences, while refusing to notice that BOTH sides are being quietly pushed into poverty via the post-2008 economic policies.
      - mek6800d2 5y ago
        (Late, I know -- a comment in this thread was referenced a few days later.) Yeah, 2008 was a banner year for the U.S. economy (not to mention the world economies). The economy was humming along so smoothly that, IIRC, McCain was able to take a vacation from his busy presidential campaign for a little rest and relaxation. And then Obama had to come along and ruin everything. Bummer! :(
    - ericmay 5y ago
      The whole “China long game” feels so lazy. Did you forget that this is the same Chinese government that isn’t resilient enough to handle challenges to it (HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Tianimen Square (sp?)) and it’s the same government where Evergrande is happening because local governments in China just feel like reporting numbers because they’re scared that Xi will get mad if they report real numbers instead of “growth forever”. China also has a huge population problem coming and it’s likely that they have already peaked economically (you’ll notice states like China get much more belligerent and bellicose as they fail ala Russia) and even that is due to government mismanagement. So, my point is China isn’t some grand strategic master. They are a country with their own problems, likely even worse than most countries because problem exposition is strongly discouraged. This doesn’t mean that America or any other country doesn’t have problems, but China isn’t particularly special here.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Chinese government that isn’t resilient enough to handle challenges to it (HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Tianimen Square (sp?)) Uh, what?
        ericmay 5y ago
        HK democracy for example is seen as such a threat to China that it must defacto invade HK to stop democracy from overthrowing the CCP. Same with these other areas and Chinese involvement.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > HK democracy for example is seen as such a threat to China that it must defacto invade HK to stop democracy from overthrowing the CCP. Which it has largely done, and moves on. Saying it's not resilient enough to handle the situation seems to be wishful thinking in that case (and is obviously false in the case of Tiananmen Square or Tibet.)
        ericmay 5y ago
redtexture 5y ago
Perhaps not efficiency. Accomplishment. With limited budgets. I'll take shipbuilding, tank manufacture, aircraft construction, and logistics for World War Two, from a prior activity of about nil, as an example of accomplishment.

You probably meant this in jest, but a few projects come to mind such as the federal highways, the moon landing, the Manhattan project. I doubt we'd be able to do that today at at least the same efficiency.

john_moscow 5y ago
Most of these projects were driven by competition with USSR. I.e., push for results under limited resources. With globalization we have eliminated it and are now left to rot, splinter and wait until the competition between the shards of the former empire sparks progress again. Except, there's also China with superior morale, superior education and superior efficiency, that might have better plans for the resources left behind a fallen empire...
- taylodl 5y ago
  The United States appears to only know how to wage war and even that has been iffy since WWII. China is poised to decimate us. They’ve been playing the long game for decades now. What have we been doing? Enriching defense contractors and having very little to show for it.
  - john_moscow 5y ago
    Because the general public doesn't care neither about China, nor about institutional accountability. The media diverts their attention towards conveniently picked unquantifiable problems, so they are busy fighting each other over minor differences, while refusing to notice that BOTH sides are being quietly pushed into poverty via the post-2008 economic policies.
    - mek6800d2 5y ago
      (Late, I know -- a comment in this thread was referenced a few days later.) Yeah, 2008 was a banner year for the U.S. economy (not to mention the world economies). The economy was humming along so smoothly that, IIRC, McCain was able to take a vacation from his busy presidential campaign for a little rest and relaxation. And then Obama had to come along and ruin everything. Bummer! :(
  - ericmay 5y ago
    The whole “China long game” feels so lazy. Did you forget that this is the same Chinese government that isn’t resilient enough to handle challenges to it (HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Tianimen Square (sp?)) and it’s the same government where Evergrande is happening because local governments in China just feel like reporting numbers because they’re scared that Xi will get mad if they report real numbers instead of “growth forever”. China also has a huge population problem coming and it’s likely that they have already peaked economically (you’ll notice states like China get much more belligerent and bellicose as they fail ala Russia) and even that is due to government mismanagement. So, my point is China isn’t some grand strategic master. They are a country with their own problems, likely even worse than most countries because problem exposition is strongly discouraged. This doesn’t mean that America or any other country doesn’t have problems, but China isn’t particularly special here.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Chinese government that isn’t resilient enough to handle challenges to it (HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Tianimen Square (sp?)) Uh, what?
      - ericmay 5y ago
        HK democracy for example is seen as such a threat to China that it must defacto invade HK to stop democracy from overthrowing the CCP. Same with these other areas and Chinese involvement.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > HK democracy for example is seen as such a threat to China that it must defacto invade HK to stop democracy from overthrowing the CCP. Which it has largely done, and moves on. Saying it's not resilient enough to handle the situation seems to be wishful thinking in that case (and is obviously false in the case of Tiananmen Square or Tibet.)
        ericmay 5y ago

redtexture 5y ago

Perhaps not efficiency. Accomplishment. With limited budgets. I'll take shipbuilding, tank manufacture, aircraft construction, and logistics for World War Two, from a prior activity of about nil, as an example of accomplishment.