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You're so entangled in the shit you tried to paddle you don't even know where you are now. Let me get you back on track: You were saying FOA deemed sea food a

You're so entangled in the shit you tried to paddle you don't even know where you are now. Let me get you back on track: You were saying FOA deemed sea food as important, like that was some argument that justifies breeding yet another animal with high levels of cognition. I said that Pescanova wasn't trying to save the world from hunger, they sell to retail and restaurants, so this is just a way to cut costs. And you went on some non-sense bullshit about culture - which of course doesn't justify wrong doing am I right? I broke it down to help you understand it giving you examples. Now... you're trying to flip this around, bridging from FOA - which you mentioned in some stupid attempt to justify eating octopus and lobster - to me being jealous of those who can afford to pay for such foods. You are owning yourself with your own arguments man, we just need to sit back and watch you. >I'm adult, and not impressed by such dumb attempts of emotional manipulation. Well you're not behaving like an adult, but more like a teen that's grasping for arguments after he paddled bullshit and got caught. >You obviously never has been in a Mediterranean country. Or in Southern Asia. Or in South America. I'm from the south of Portugal my guy, you know, one of the cultural groups you were talking about. We have plenty of octopus and lobster - we also have bull fighting just in case you didn't know. Yeah... that's a wrap.

pvaldes 5y ago
> I'm from the south of Portugal Great. Then you should be able to grasp a few really basic concepts. 1) Some countries need to trust in seafood to feed their population. Portugal for example. Remove cod overnight and a lot of Portuguese will have problems to feed their family accurately. Do we want that? Do you think that octopus are "smart" and cod are "dumb" so one is kosher and the other not? Well... This is pseudo-religious thinking, neither based in logic, nor supported by real biological knowledge. 2) In the market, more offer leads normally to a decrease in prices. So is easy to understand that more affordable prices benefit mostly the lower classes (aka poor people). People that weren't able to buy some food can now eat it. 3) Alleviate the excessive predatory pressure over a species is a desirable outcome. Alleviate the pressure over the wild fisheries of octopus is good for the species of octopus, not bad. Think in all the octopus children that will survive now instead being killed in their tender infancy while sucking an ice-crab cream (eh, emotional manipulation is a lot of fun. I should use it more). The farmed octopus? would not live otherwise. In my book living a short live is better that non living at all. Specially when you are a short lived species and a year means like 50 years in human time. And you should support the "sad women octopus that avoid now a cruel and painful dead starving for months while crying in a dark crevice after being raped by an evil male". Don't you? Facing a quick painless death after living a happy life in a place without predators or diseases and with plenty of food and home rocks doesn't look so bad now. Who knows? Maybe this solitary creatures will finally have time for developing Philosophy, shell's art or playing Squidspeare in the park

pvaldes 5y ago

> I'm from the south of Portugal Great. Then you should be able to grasp a few really basic concepts. 1) Some countries need to trust in seafood to feed their population. Portugal for example. Remove cod overnight and a lot of Portuguese will have problems to feed their family accurately. Do we want that? Do you think that octopus are "smart" and cod are "dumb" so one is kosher and the other not? Well... This is pseudo-religious thinking, neither based in logic, nor supported by real biological knowledge. 2) In the market, more offer leads normally to a decrease in prices. So is easy to understand that more affordable prices benefit mostly the lower classes (aka poor people). People that weren't able to buy some food can now eat it. 3) Alleviate the excessive predatory pressure over a species is a desirable outcome. Alleviate the pressure over the wild fisheries of octopus is good for the species of octopus, not bad. Think in all the octopus children that will survive now instead being killed in their tender infancy while sucking an ice-crab cream (eh, emotional manipulation is a lot of fun. I should use it more). The farmed octopus? would not live otherwise. In my book living a short live is better that non living at all. Specially when you are a short lived species and a year means like 50 years in human time. And you should support the "sad women octopus that avoid now a cruel and painful dead starving for months while crying in a dark crevice after being raped by an evil male". Don't you? Facing a quick painless death after living a happy life in a place without predators or diseases and with plenty of food and home rocks doesn't look so bad now. Who knows? Maybe this solitary creatures will finally have time for developing Philosophy, shell's art or playing Squidspeare in the park