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> The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised. If it actually does do that, then spell out why th
by tablespoon 5y ago
> The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised.
If it actually does do that, then spell out why that's the case (e.g. what's the penalty for hiring someone for a salary outside the posted range)?
The OP makes it sound like this is only to address certain information asymmetries in salary negotiation:
> Currently, New York City employers are allowed to withhold pay information until the end of the hiring process.
> Advocates of the bill argue that this forces applications into unequal negotiations throughout the hiring process without the critical piece of knowledge around salary.
> “Lack of salary transparency is discriminatory and anti-worker,” said Rosenthal. “Every New Yorker should have the right to determine whether they will be able to support themselves and their family when they apply for a job. It is time to level the playing field, and restore some dignity to New Yorkers seeking employment.”
> ...Job postings without salary range information can be reported to the city’s Commission on Human Rights.
Based on the article, I see no reason why someone would be prevented from consenting to pay below the position's current minimum, so long as they have full knowledge that is what they are in fact doing.
- 999900000999 5y ago>Based on the article, I see no reason why someone would be prevented from consenting to pay below the position's current minimum, so long as they have full knowledge that is what they are in fact doing As they say, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions, I see no reason why an HR department would take the risk. When I was in my early 20s I had no degree or real experience. With misguided laws like this I wouldn't of been offered a job. It's not on your employer to pay you 100k for your first job. You endure making a bit less for a while. Then about 3 years later you get your 100k job
- tablespoon 5y ago> As they say, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions... The other path to Hell is to not act on good intentions. > With misguided laws like this I wouldn't of been offered a job. No, you're just making that assumption.
- rytcio 5y ago> The other path to Hell is to not act on good intentions. Only if you ignore unintended consequences
- tablespoon 5y ago> Only if you ignore unintended consequences Some people seem to think the hand-waved threat of "unintended consequences" should be enough to kill any policy they happen to dislike. It's not. I'm tired of the broken record fearmongering about unintended consequences, especially when it's paired (as it always is) with no constructive alternative to address the problem in question. It's an unpersuasive attempt at preventing improvement to the status quo.
- 999900000999 5y agoI don't see anything that needs improving. If you don't have the courage to ask how much the job pays on the first call that's your problem. If you agree to a certain wage that's what you agreed to.
- DarylZero 5y agoThis lets you see the salary before you even choose to apply. By the way, your whole story makes no sense. If you weren't qualified why did you even get an interview?
- 999900000999 5y agoStartups tend to take chances on less qualified candidates to save money. There's plenty of opportunity in this country if you're willing to work for it.
- DarylZero 5y agoYou're just saying startups have lower qualification requirements. The question is: how do you get an interview _for a position_ where you don't meet the requirements _for that position_? So if it's a startup, then you don't meet the lowered requirements of that startup. It doesn't make sense. They wouldn't interview you if you didn't meet their requirements.
- chrismcb 5y agoWhy? Why would you ask to be paid less?
- sokoloff 5y agoThe alternative is no pay, not higher pay. If the employer thinks that you don't meet all the qualifications that they'd like, there are two reasonable outcomes: 1. The most likely => you don't get any offer. 2. You mutually agree to take a lower offer. It's a lower offer, but it's also much, much greater than zero. You got your foot in the door, can develop your skills, earn an income, and make progress in your career instead of continuing to interview.
- DarylZero 5y agoIf you don't meet all the qualifications how are you getting your foot in the door? How are you getting interviews without qualifications? I think the most likely scenario if you don't meet the qualifications is you get ghosted. With salary requirements, maybe people will waste less time on pointless applications, and there will be less ghosting.