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I hate articles like this. (1) When did aspiring to a good life become wrong? The article seems to sympathize with Dharmesh Shah of Hubspot who whines about h

by earl 15y ago

I hate articles like this. (1) When did aspiring to a good life become wrong? The article seems to sympathize with Dharmesh Shah of Hubspot who whines about having to pay devs a middle class wage. (2) Since I've seen this with the dude from seo moz and other places: To all of you whining about your inability to hire software engineers, what exactly are you doing to grow your own? Are you aggressively hiring interns so you get first shot when they graduate? Are you lobbying your state and national reps to fund universities? There are plenty of smart people entering college this fall; in 4 years, some of them will be cs graduates. It seems like on the margin a lot of smart people enter finance or law or other fields; what are you doing to attract them to software engineering? What are you doing about the rampant sexism that helps turn off a lot of women (that's 1/2 your potential engineers) to development as a career?

KevinMS 15y ago
So whats your problem? The only pools of programming talent come from young interns or computer science graduates? You'd suggest political lobbying before looking outside the narrow focus of twenty something male comp-sci clones that colleges have been pumping out because of the dot-com bubble?
- mobileman 15y ago
  I think Earl is suggesting that more than whining is needed. Like, get smart people fresh and give them training so you can get them when they graduate
- roel_v 15y ago
  I guess his point was that catering to students is just one way to solve their own problems; basically, they need to stop whining and put in some effort: step up pay, or training, or process, or hire two people to do the job rather than having one guy work 80 hours. Hiring students was just one example where it requires extra effort from employers to get good employees, effort that (it seems) they aren't willing to put in. I was especially disappointed seeing Shah on this bandwagon of whining, since I mostly like his blog and writing. But no, apparently he too prefers 40k wage slaves that make him rich but who he only needs pay enough to survive but not enough to become independent. (I have first-hand experience with how reporters twist and turn words so maybe the article misrepresents what he's saying, but even in the most favorable interpretation of his words I don't really see how that could have happened without the reporter straight out fabricating a quote).

by earl 15y ago

KevinMS 15y ago

So whats your problem? The only pools of programming talent come from young interns or computer science graduates? You'd suggest political lobbying before looking outside the narrow focus of twenty something male comp-sci clones that colleges have been pumping out because of the dot-com bubble?

mobileman 15y ago
I think Earl is suggesting that more than whining is needed. Like, get smart people fresh and give them training so you can get them when they graduate
roel_v 15y ago
I guess his point was that catering to students is just one way to solve their own problems; basically, they need to stop whining and put in some effort: step up pay, or training, or process, or hire two people to do the job rather than having one guy work 80 hours. Hiring students was just one example where it requires extra effort from employers to get good employees, effort that (it seems) they aren't willing to put in. I was especially disappointed seeing Shah on this bandwagon of whining, since I mostly like his blog and writing. But no, apparently he too prefers 40k wage slaves that make him rich but who he only needs pay enough to survive but not enough to become independent. (I have first-hand experience with how reporters twist and turn words so maybe the article misrepresents what he's saying, but even in the most favorable interpretation of his words I don't really see how that could have happened without the reporter straight out fabricating a quote).