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I'm not advocating Singapore's punitive drug policies, but to their credit I don't think that fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death for people aged 18

I'm not advocating Singapore's punitive drug policies, but to their credit I don't think that fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death for people aged 18-45 like it is currently in the United States.

Jerrrry 5y ago
It is likely suicide, which is better, how?
- deltree7 5y ago
  Try again, Singapore has lower suicide rates than liberal darlings Canada, Finland, Norway, Sweden. Ah, you think there may be other reasons for suicide? May be weather? Try South Korea https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SGP/singapore/suicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SGP/singapore/suicide-...
  - Jerrrry 5y ago
    Them not killing themselves at a higher rate than left-leaning countries does little to excuse draconian drug laws, that OP had implied.
    - deltree7 5y ago
      https://www.asiaone.com/health/singapore-happiest-nation-asia-un-study https://www.asiaone.com/health/singapore-happiest-nation-asi... This is classic liberal ideology, pushing an imagined ideal version from the comfort of well-protected jobs and living conditions on countries who seem to do better on their own
    - mullingitover 5y ago
      I'm not implying a value judgment about Singapore's drug policy. Drug policy is what I'd call a Wicked Problem[1] and there's no black and white 'right' thing to do. They might execute some drug dealers and imprison a bunch of people, but on the other hand they have drastically reduced overdose deaths, which in the US' 18-45 age group have killed nearly twice as many people Covid[2]. Is that an excuse for the authoritarianism? That's not a judgment I'm making, just pointing out that there are tradeoffs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem [2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fentanyl-overdose-death/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fentanyl-overdose-death/

Jerrrry 5y ago

It is likely suicide, which is better, how?

deltree7 5y ago
Try again, Singapore has lower suicide rates than liberal darlings Canada, Finland, Norway, Sweden. Ah, you think there may be other reasons for suicide? May be weather? Try South Korea https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SGP/singapore/suicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SGP/singapore/suicide-...
- Jerrrry 5y ago
  Them not killing themselves at a higher rate than left-leaning countries does little to excuse draconian drug laws, that OP had implied.
  - deltree7 5y ago
    https://www.asiaone.com/health/singapore-happiest-nation-asia-un-study https://www.asiaone.com/health/singapore-happiest-nation-asi... This is classic liberal ideology, pushing an imagined ideal version from the comfort of well-protected jobs and living conditions on countries who seem to do better on their own
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    I'm not implying a value judgment about Singapore's drug policy. Drug policy is what I'd call a Wicked Problem[1] and there's no black and white 'right' thing to do. They might execute some drug dealers and imprison a bunch of people, but on the other hand they have drastically reduced overdose deaths, which in the US' 18-45 age group have killed nearly twice as many people Covid[2]. Is that an excuse for the authoritarianism? That's not a judgment I'm making, just pointing out that there are tradeoffs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem [2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fentanyl-overdose-death/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fentanyl-overdose-death/