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I'm pretty sure the pandemic and ensuing poverty/economic sufferring is driving the migration more than the lack of existence of a stupid wall

coolso 5y ago
Didn't the pandemic start in the very beginning of 2020? It seems a little too coincidental that the illegal border crossings would pick up dramatically as soon as an administration with wildly differing, near-opposite language on the subject came into office. Walls are important, otherwise we wouldn't all shut or lock our doors at night. But, sometimes, don't you think it's the symbolism that helps even more?
- cultofmetatron 5y ago
  I'm an american citizen currently spending a bunch of time expatriated in Colombia. I've been all over latin America and talked to people from all walks down here. The most surprising thing you'll notice down here is most people dont want to go to america. They want to be with their friends and extended family. Making lots of money isn't a huge motivator for them. What is a huge motivator is violence driven by economic calamity. That caravan of hondurans? While Fox news is victim blaming juan for bringing his kids over the border, they overlook that people in juan's neighborhood were being killed and juan's daughter was being scoped out by a local bang for forced prostitution. They are coming out of desperation. And who's the reason latin america is in this situation? Well its complicated but it certainly doesn't help that US run international corporations spent decades sabotaging labor rights or the cia arranging coups and assassinations. The best way to be safe is to be in a safe neighborhood. That means making sure our neighbors are economically developed such that migrants will stay put in their own countries and not need to move to chase opportunity. Of course we don't do that because the US economy is also very much dependent on cheap exploitable immigrants to do the labor americans won't do. So instead we create this strange immigration policy that lets conservative white supremacists treat latinos as subhuman while we allow them to work at exploitation wages under the guise of progressivism.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > That caravan of hondurans? While Fox news is victim blaming juan for bringing his kids over the border, they overlook that people in juan's neighborhood were being killed and juan's daughter was being scoped out by a local bang for forced prostitution. They also “overlook” that the “local” gang is has a core of drug offenders hardened in US prisons and then deported, and on multiple levels is a product of the US war on drugs.
txsoftwaredev 5y ago
The current administration has completely incentivized illegally entering the US by offering free handouts, including paying families millions in tax payers dollars. Illegal immigration was down throughout the Trump administration, with and without covid. Walls are very effective tools to protect property. They are used by millions of Americans and businesses to protect their homes and businesses every day. I personally have a fence, a type of wall, to protect my property and it's been 100% effective.
- madengr 5y ago
- epakai 5y ago
  This is false rhetoric designed to attack democrats and demonize immigrants as greedy. These same "handouts"/stimulus started under and we're touted by Trump. They don't apply to non-citizens ( I'm aware of exceptional cases of fraud or mistakenly mailed checks, but this isn't widespread). They were also part of the driver of fast economic recovery albeit at some cost of inflation we are seeing now.

coolso 5y ago

Didn't the pandemic start in the very beginning of 2020? It seems a little too coincidental that the illegal border crossings would pick up dramatically as soon as an administration with wildly differing, near-opposite language on the subject came into office. Walls are important, otherwise we wouldn't all shut or lock our doors at night. But, sometimes, don't you think it's the symbolism that helps even more?

cultofmetatron 5y ago
I'm an american citizen currently spending a bunch of time expatriated in Colombia. I've been all over latin America and talked to people from all walks down here. The most surprising thing you'll notice down here is most people dont want to go to america. They want to be with their friends and extended family. Making lots of money isn't a huge motivator for them. What is a huge motivator is violence driven by economic calamity. That caravan of hondurans? While Fox news is victim blaming juan for bringing his kids over the border, they overlook that people in juan's neighborhood were being killed and juan's daughter was being scoped out by a local bang for forced prostitution. They are coming out of desperation. And who's the reason latin america is in this situation? Well its complicated but it certainly doesn't help that US run international corporations spent decades sabotaging labor rights or the cia arranging coups and assassinations. The best way to be safe is to be in a safe neighborhood. That means making sure our neighbors are economically developed such that migrants will stay put in their own countries and not need to move to chase opportunity. Of course we don't do that because the US economy is also very much dependent on cheap exploitable immigrants to do the labor americans won't do. So instead we create this strange immigration policy that lets conservative white supremacists treat latinos as subhuman while we allow them to work at exploitation wages under the guise of progressivism.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > That caravan of hondurans? While Fox news is victim blaming juan for bringing his kids over the border, they overlook that people in juan's neighborhood were being killed and juan's daughter was being scoped out by a local bang for forced prostitution. They also “overlook” that the “local” gang is has a core of drug offenders hardened in US prisons and then deported, and on multiple levels is a product of the US war on drugs.

txsoftwaredev 5y ago

The current administration has completely incentivized illegally entering the US by offering free handouts, including paying families millions in tax payers dollars. Illegal immigration was down throughout the Trump administration, with and without covid. Walls are very effective tools to protect property. They are used by millions of Americans and businesses to protect their homes and businesses every day. I personally have a fence, a type of wall, to protect my property and it's been 100% effective.

madengr 5y ago
epakai 5y ago
This is false rhetoric designed to attack democrats and demonize immigrants as greedy. These same "handouts"/stimulus started under and we're touted by Trump. They don't apply to non-citizens ( I'm aware of exceptional cases of fraud or mistakenly mailed checks, but this isn't widespread). They were also part of the driver of fast economic recovery albeit at some cost of inflation we are seeing now.