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>reduce the 'them' outgroup. Seems like we're happily creating a huge outgroup of "thems" who want to wait until Pfizer concludes long term testing. Especially

by yucky 5y ago

>reduce the 'them' outgroup. Seems like we're happily creating a huge outgroup of "thems" who want to wait until Pfizer concludes long term testing. Especially seeing how many countries in Europe have now stopped giving Moderna to males under 30 due to the discovery that it causes heart conditions in that cohort.[0] [0] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-france-restrict-modernas-covid-vaccine-for-under-30s-over-rare-heart-risk-despite-surging-cases/?sh=156c88b32a8a https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-f...

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
This is going off-topic, but: What's the track record for Moderna causing heart conditions in males over 30? Any evidence one way or the other?
- yucky 5y ago
  Not sure, I suspect the reason the under 30 male cohort was singled out is because the data was only conclusive enough in that cohort. This is pretty recent though, so who knows what we'll see in future months/years.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Yeah. Over 30, just had two stents put in my heart. I'm not very excited about a booster that could give me clots, or any other heart issue. I mean, I'm not anti-vax. I got the initial shot (J&J). I just wish I knew what was the wisest next move...
    - scotty79 5y ago
      If a booster can give you a clot then a flu or common cold could to. Not mentioning actual covid which you will encounter multiple times in your life if those stents are working for you.
idiotsecant 5y ago
I think you're the only person talking about vaccines here?
- yucky 5y ago
  We're discussing the eagerness of people to create outgroups out of anything.
  - idiotsecant 5y ago
    Seems a lot like shoehorning a cable news talking point into an unrelated conversation.
    - yucky 5y ago
      Interesting, I don't watch cable news so maybe that's a blind spot for me. Would you say that you haven't seen the in-group/out-group dynamic with vaccines and vaccine discussion lately?

by yucky 5y ago

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

This is going off-topic, but: What's the track record for Moderna causing heart conditions in males over 30? Any evidence one way or the other?

yucky 5y ago
Not sure, I suspect the reason the under 30 male cohort was singled out is because the data was only conclusive enough in that cohort. This is pretty recent though, so who knows what we'll see in future months/years.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Yeah. Over 30, just had two stents put in my heart. I'm not very excited about a booster that could give me clots, or any other heart issue. I mean, I'm not anti-vax. I got the initial shot (J&J). I just wish I knew what was the wisest next move...
  - scotty79 5y ago
    If a booster can give you a clot then a flu or common cold could to. Not mentioning actual covid which you will encounter multiple times in your life if those stents are working for you.

idiotsecant 5y ago

I think you're the only person talking about vaccines here?

yucky 5y ago
We're discussing the eagerness of people to create outgroups out of anything.
- idiotsecant 5y ago
  Seems a lot like shoehorning a cable news talking point into an unrelated conversation.
  - yucky 5y ago
    Interesting, I don't watch cable news so maybe that's a blind spot for me. Would you say that you haven't seen the in-group/out-group dynamic with vaccines and vaccine discussion lately?