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Once again, I am speaking generally and not about this specific accident. We have no idea how any other person or car would perform in this exact situation and

by slg 5y ago

Once again, I am speaking generally and not about this specific accident. We have no idea how any other person or car would perform in this exact situation and I don't see much value in speculating. I care much less about a singular accident than I do about trying to help prevent future accidents by clearing up the confusion. You are continuing to add to that confusion, seemingly intentionally by continuing to blur the lines that I have already clarified in previous comments. You already admitted that a product being on the market for years would lead to a consumer being more confident in it. By telling people that FSD has been tested for years on public roads rather than months your criticism is counterintuitively also contributing to a false confidence in the technology.

dragontamer 5y ago
> Once again, I am speaking generally and not about this specific accident. We have no idea how any other person or car would perform in this exact situation and I don't see much value in speculating. But we have an NHTSA complaint documenting 11 other accidents of this form. That is, a stopped car in front of a Tesla that was provably on Autopilot. And then the Tesla crashes into the stopped car (most commonly: emergency vehicles like Firetrucks or Police cars). EDIT: These other examples from NHTSA were in broad-daylight, with flashing lights, at night, and a variety of different situations. So something is definitely wrong here. And who knows about all the other situations where a crash was going to happen but the driver took emergency action and saved the day. ----- This accident, the one in the twitter post, as well as the 11 other documented cases in the NHTSA investigation, prove that there's a systemic problem with the technology. There are probably other accidents too where the emergency braking should have worked but aren't documented yet. ------ This is no longer a Rusell's Teapot scenario. We've got 12-examples (11 from the NHTSA complaint, and +1 from this Twitter thread / Twitter video). We've got the examples, live on camera. We can absolutely say without a doubt that Teslas have difficulty in this case.

by slg 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago

> Once again, I am speaking generally and not about this specific accident. We have no idea how any other person or car would perform in this exact situation and I don't see much value in speculating. But we have an NHTSA complaint documenting 11 other accidents of this form. That is, a stopped car in front of a Tesla that was provably on Autopilot. And then the Tesla crashes into the stopped car (most commonly: emergency vehicles like Firetrucks or Police cars). EDIT: These other examples from NHTSA were in broad-daylight, with flashing lights, at night, and a variety of different situations. So something is definitely wrong here. And who knows about all the other situations where a crash was going to happen but the driver took emergency action and saved the day. ----- This accident, the one in the twitter post, as well as the 11 other documented cases in the NHTSA investigation, prove that there's a systemic problem with the technology. There are probably other accidents too where the emergency braking should have worked but aren't documented yet. ------ This is no longer a Rusell's Teapot scenario. We've got 12-examples (11 from the NHTSA complaint, and +1 from this Twitter thread / Twitter video). We've got the examples, live on camera. We can absolutely say without a doubt that Teslas have difficulty in this case.