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Without these doomsday scenarios, it would be very hard to sell the prospect of a central world government that can override the sovereignty of every nation on
by ianunruh 5y ago
Without these doomsday scenarios, it would be very hard to sell the prospect of a central world government that can override the sovereignty of every nation on Earth. Europe already fell for it, but it's going to take a lot more to get the rest of us involved.
- idiotsecant 5y agoYes, over time humans form larger and larger social groups as we are able to use technology and trade to form a more abstract and inclusive idea of the 'us' and reduce the 'them' outgroup. That's how it works. If you asked a bronze age libertarian your current idea of a 'nation' would be wildly antithetical to his idea of a free and sovereign tribe. As social groups get larger and larger we also get, on average, more and more peaceful and prosperous. It's a good thing.
- yucky 5y ago>reduce the 'them' outgroup. Seems like we're happily creating a huge outgroup of "thems" who want to wait until Pfizer concludes long term testing. Especially seeing how many countries in Europe have now stopped giving Moderna to males under 30 due to the discovery that it causes heart conditions in that cohort.[0] [0] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-france-restrict-modernas-covid-vaccine-for-under-30s-over-rare-heart-risk-despite-surging-cases/?sh=156c88b32a8a https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-f...
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoThis is going off-topic, but: What's the track record for Moderna causing heart conditions in males over 30? Any evidence one way or the other?
- yucky 5y agoNot sure, I suspect the reason the under 30 male cohort was singled out is because the data was only conclusive enough in that cohort. This is pretty recent though, so who knows what we'll see in future months/years.
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoYeah. Over 30, just had two stents put in my heart. I'm not very excited about a booster that could give me clots, or any other heart issue. I mean, I'm not anti-vax. I got the initial shot (J&J). I just wish I knew what was the wisest next move...
- scotty79 5y agoIf a booster can give you a clot then a flu or common cold could to. Not mentioning actual covid which you will encounter multiple times in your life if those stents are working for you.
- idiotsecant 5y agoI think you're the only person talking about vaccines here?
- yucky 5y agoWe're discussing the eagerness of people to create outgroups out of anything.
- idiotsecant 5y agoSeems a lot like shoehorning a cable news talking point into an unrelated conversation.
- yucky 5y agoInteresting, I don't watch cable news so maybe that's a blind spot for me. Would you say that you haven't seen the in-group/out-group dynamic with vaccines and vaccine discussion lately?
- ianunruh 5y agoThere's a big difference between what you've just described, and a system of unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats making decisions for billions of people. Which is exactly what the loudest climate change activists are pushing.
- barbazoo 5y ago> Europe already fell for it > unelected bureaucrats I suggest you do some basic research before spewing misinformation like this next time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parliament https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Pa...
- ianunruh 5y agoThose were two separate comments, no need for accusations like that. I'm well aware that the EU has elections, but anyone can see that member states are losing their sovereignty as time goes on.
- barbazoo 5y ago(sorry, I was being too harsh) In what areas specifically are they losing their sovereignty though?
- ashwagary 5y agoThe legitimate arguments for Brexit are a partial answer to your question.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoLook how well that turned out for them.
- barbazoo 5y agoBrexit populism was mostly based on lies. Remember the NHS bus about how much money they're allegedly sending to Brussels? Disinformation galore.