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If a foreigner has an argument I believe we want to ear it, maybe we refutate it, maybe it improves our understanding. It is happening here in France, the woke

If a foreigner has an argument I believe we want to ear it, maybe we refutate it, maybe it improves our understanding. It is happening here in France, the woke totalitarism has penetrated our universities, we're removing statues too, and soon will also be burning books just like on the other side of the Atlantic ... Unless next elections put a stop to that.

champagnois 5y ago
Western governments have not yet fully acknowledged the fact that the strategy of seducing totalitarian regimes like Russia and China with peaceful economic progress has failed. The awakening on this is extremely slow. Our 1337 have been, on the whole, too arrogant to acknowledge that the status quo of how they operate to preserve democracy has failed in that it is not enough and Democracy is currently receding and morale is at an all-time low. If the civilization we were born to love and defend is to survive, then it must adapt to the current threats and quickly. Our adversaries are back and more powerful than they ever were. It is time we end the drunken holiday of the 1990s and bring back the creativity of McCarthyism and such.
- champagnois 5y ago
  For the record, I apologize for turning this chat from "law enforcement" to "winning versus the east" ... I acknowledge this is all off topic.
  - 1337shadow 5y ago
    I see it's off topic but I appreciate discussing with you, because I don't think I understand your position correctly but I'm trying to!
    - champagnois 5y ago
      Regardless, if you've been truthful, then we are extended family in some way. Vive la France! Vive la liberté!
      - 1337shadow 5y ago
        I'm always truthful unless I'm saying something so stupid that I'm expecting nobody to take it seriously ... which is pretty french, irony is a bet you take on your audience's intelligence, that does not always go as planned as you might notice in a comment ... Long live Canada! Or Quebec whatever side you're on xD
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  McCarthyism was after people with an opinion, I don't believe that's a good thing and that it's going to happen again in western countries. The current threat here is a rise of criminality, having more evidence would secure more people, this bill was actually a try to "adapt to the current threats".
  - champagnois 5y ago
    I do not really disagree with you. McCarthyism was before my time and I admit to having no understanding of it. I meant to say we should be creative in dealing with the ways in which totalitarian systems infiltrate our society and weaponize our public. Currently, we do not seemingly have a strong defense against what is happening. I know a bit about what our side does, and I also know what their side does and how they do it. 1337 folks are not enough and they only know half of what is going on.
    - 1337shadow 5y ago
      But are you really off-topic or are you actually much deeply in topic? After all, why wouldn't it be the case here: making our own states weaker because "we the public will not negociate our privacy!" ? Is the public in question, strongly expressing their opinion here, really going to benefit from having a weaker state ? Is there no limit about how weak we want our state ? At what point does it starts benefiting forces which are hostile to our civilisation ? Has it even started already ? I think I figured your answer to that last one! What makes our state weaker is not this public, it's whatever forces weaponizing this public against our states, and indeed I'm aware about them, but the public is in the middle, we must win with arguments, by talking about reality, I beleive that's how we can wake up and face reality and actually debate solutions instead of hiding behind distopian scifi scenarios like we are doing here.
  - mellavora 5y ago
    What specifically would prevent McCarthyism from happening again?
    - 5y ago
- trasz 5y ago
  You could start with explaining what exactly do you mean by "totalitarian", and how comes you don't consider totalitarian the country with world's highest incarceration rate, world's largest army, and world's largest civilian death toll.

champagnois 5y ago

Western governments have not yet fully acknowledged the fact that the strategy of seducing totalitarian regimes like Russia and China with peaceful economic progress has failed. The awakening on this is extremely slow. Our 1337 have been, on the whole, too arrogant to acknowledge that the status quo of how they operate to preserve democracy has failed in that it is not enough and Democracy is currently receding and morale is at an all-time low. If the civilization we were born to love and defend is to survive, then it must adapt to the current threats and quickly. Our adversaries are back and more powerful than they ever were. It is time we end the drunken holiday of the 1990s and bring back the creativity of McCarthyism and such.

champagnois 5y ago
For the record, I apologize for turning this chat from "law enforcement" to "winning versus the east" ... I acknowledge this is all off topic.
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  I see it's off topic but I appreciate discussing with you, because I don't think I understand your position correctly but I'm trying to!
  - champagnois 5y ago
    Regardless, if you've been truthful, then we are extended family in some way. Vive la France! Vive la liberté!
    - 1337shadow 5y ago
      I'm always truthful unless I'm saying something so stupid that I'm expecting nobody to take it seriously ... which is pretty french, irony is a bet you take on your audience's intelligence, that does not always go as planned as you might notice in a comment ... Long live Canada! Or Quebec whatever side you're on xD
1337shadow 5y ago
McCarthyism was after people with an opinion, I don't believe that's a good thing and that it's going to happen again in western countries. The current threat here is a rise of criminality, having more evidence would secure more people, this bill was actually a try to "adapt to the current threats".
- champagnois 5y ago
  I do not really disagree with you. McCarthyism was before my time and I admit to having no understanding of it. I meant to say we should be creative in dealing with the ways in which totalitarian systems infiltrate our society and weaponize our public. Currently, we do not seemingly have a strong defense against what is happening. I know a bit about what our side does, and I also know what their side does and how they do it. 1337 folks are not enough and they only know half of what is going on.
  - 1337shadow 5y ago
    But are you really off-topic or are you actually much deeply in topic? After all, why wouldn't it be the case here: making our own states weaker because "we the public will not negociate our privacy!" ? Is the public in question, strongly expressing their opinion here, really going to benefit from having a weaker state ? Is there no limit about how weak we want our state ? At what point does it starts benefiting forces which are hostile to our civilisation ? Has it even started already ? I think I figured your answer to that last one! What makes our state weaker is not this public, it's whatever forces weaponizing this public against our states, and indeed I'm aware about them, but the public is in the middle, we must win with arguments, by talking about reality, I beleive that's how we can wake up and face reality and actually debate solutions instead of hiding behind distopian scifi scenarios like we are doing here.
- mellavora 5y ago
  What specifically would prevent McCarthyism from happening again?
  - 5y ago
trasz 5y ago
You could start with explaining what exactly do you mean by "totalitarian", and how comes you don't consider totalitarian the country with world's highest incarceration rate, world's largest army, and world's largest civilian death toll.