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I disagree, I only master French democracy, and of that one I can say it is irreversible. As such, I disagree with your conclusion, even more so when it boils d

I disagree, I only master French democracy, and of that one I can say it is irreversible. As such, I disagree with your conclusion, even more so when it boils down to "let's leave some criminals running around just in case one day our democracy turns into an authoritarian regime like in scifi". I am affected by the damage caused in the present reality, not by hypothetical damage in an highly unlikely reality, as such, I base my political opinion on facts that happen in the present, factual reality.

champagnois 5y ago
I admire your enthusiasm and conviction. I do not doubt that you and your pro-democracy patriotic brothers and sisters at what ever group are probably the right people for the job, currently. In the United States presently, I am concerned about the health of democracy itself. I assume authoritarian forces from abroad (RU / NK / CN / Iran / others) are abusing our open social media networks to radicalize the public. The infection here is to a point where a very small minority of people even understand there is an infection -- most people don't look at problems from this sort of meta perspective, and they instead hail from either side of the divide, and are begging for a one-party takeover of the system. I do not see the 1337 folks doing much to fix this. Going to hack some routers, spoof some DNS, send people firmware viruses, break their servers, collect information? That doesn't fix it. Authoritarian attacks on the American mind are mostly succeeding and this is blatantly evidenced by the radicalism that is becoming so popular in our politics. If it can happen here, it can happen in France. I'm wondering if the only remedy is a government firewall of social media / comment sections / etc to keep conversations limited to real citizens, rather than foreign information warriors. But hey, what do I know?
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  If a foreigner has an argument I believe we want to ear it, maybe we refutate it, maybe it improves our understanding. It is happening here in France, the woke totalitarism has penetrated our universities, we're removing statues too, and soon will also be burning books just like on the other side of the Atlantic ... Unless next elections put a stop to that.
  - champagnois 5y ago
    Western governments have not yet fully acknowledged the fact that the strategy of seducing totalitarian regimes like Russia and China with peaceful economic progress has failed. The awakening on this is extremely slow. Our 1337 have been, on the whole, too arrogant to acknowledge that the status quo of how they operate to preserve democracy has failed in that it is not enough and Democracy is currently receding and morale is at an all-time low. If the civilization we were born to love and defend is to survive, then it must adapt to the current threats and quickly. Our adversaries are back and more powerful than they ever were. It is time we end the drunken holiday of the 1990s and bring back the creativity of McCarthyism and such.
    - champagnois 5y ago
      For the record, I apologize for turning this chat from "law enforcement" to "winning versus the east" ... I acknowledge this is all off topic.
      - 1337shadow 5y ago
        I see it's off topic but I appreciate discussing with you, because I don't think I understand your position correctly but I'm trying to!
        champagnois 5y ago
        Regardless, if you've been truthful, then we are extended family in some way. Vive la France! Vive la liberté!
        1337shadow 5y ago
        I'm always truthful unless I'm saying something so stupid that I'm expecting nobody to take it seriously ... which is pretty french, irony is a bet you take on your audience's intelligence, that does not always go as planned as you might notice in a comment ... Long live Canada! Or Quebec whatever side you're on xD

champagnois 5y ago

I admire your enthusiasm and conviction. I do not doubt that you and your pro-democracy patriotic brothers and sisters at what ever group are probably the right people for the job, currently. In the United States presently, I am concerned about the health of democracy itself. I assume authoritarian forces from abroad (RU / NK / CN / Iran / others) are abusing our open social media networks to radicalize the public. The infection here is to a point where a very small minority of people even understand there is an infection -- most people don't look at problems from this sort of meta perspective, and they instead hail from either side of the divide, and are begging for a one-party takeover of the system. I do not see the 1337 folks doing much to fix this. Going to hack some routers, spoof some DNS, send people firmware viruses, break their servers, collect information? That doesn't fix it. Authoritarian attacks on the American mind are mostly succeeding and this is blatantly evidenced by the radicalism that is becoming so popular in our politics. If it can happen here, it can happen in France. I'm wondering if the only remedy is a government firewall of social media / comment sections / etc to keep conversations limited to real citizens, rather than foreign information warriors. But hey, what do I know?

1337shadow 5y ago
If a foreigner has an argument I believe we want to ear it, maybe we refutate it, maybe it improves our understanding. It is happening here in France, the woke totalitarism has penetrated our universities, we're removing statues too, and soon will also be burning books just like on the other side of the Atlantic ... Unless next elections put a stop to that.
- champagnois 5y ago
  Western governments have not yet fully acknowledged the fact that the strategy of seducing totalitarian regimes like Russia and China with peaceful economic progress has failed. The awakening on this is extremely slow. Our 1337 have been, on the whole, too arrogant to acknowledge that the status quo of how they operate to preserve democracy has failed in that it is not enough and Democracy is currently receding and morale is at an all-time low. If the civilization we were born to love and defend is to survive, then it must adapt to the current threats and quickly. Our adversaries are back and more powerful than they ever were. It is time we end the drunken holiday of the 1990s and bring back the creativity of McCarthyism and such.
  - champagnois 5y ago
    For the record, I apologize for turning this chat from "law enforcement" to "winning versus the east" ... I acknowledge this is all off topic.
    - 1337shadow 5y ago
      I see it's off topic but I appreciate discussing with you, because I don't think I understand your position correctly but I'm trying to!
      - champagnois 5y ago
        Regardless, if you've been truthful, then we are extended family in some way. Vive la France! Vive la liberté!
        1337shadow 5y ago
        I'm always truthful unless I'm saying something so stupid that I'm expecting nobody to take it seriously ... which is pretty french, irony is a bet you take on your audience's intelligence, that does not always go as planned as you might notice in a comment ... Long live Canada! Or Quebec whatever side you're on xD