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Actually a lot of what the gig economy does isn't new. It's 19th century pre labour union stuff only now with an app. Oude kruiken nieuwe zakken as we say in D

Actually a lot of what the gig economy does isn't new. It's 19th century pre labour union stuff only now with an app. Oude kruiken nieuwe zakken as we say in Dutch. Unfortunately the success of socialism made everyone think the world had moved on from such naked and unapologetic exploitation. intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twenty first century came the great disillusionment.

the-dude 5y ago
Wijn. Oude wijn in nieuwe zakken
- brnt 5y ago
  Which leads to the question: why store wine in bags?
  - mbg721 5y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineskin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineskin It was apparently easier for preservation at scale than pots or jars were.
  - the-dude 5y ago
    So you can empty them without letting air in. It doesn't break. Actually, wine in bags in boxes is a thing since about 10 years. Works great.
netcan 5y ago
There's a yiddish version of that, but I don't remember exactly. Alte smatesh, noy-something. I have to disagree though. Not that I think you're incorrect. It's neither correct not incorrect. It's a reduction, or essentialization perhaps. Even if it is a correct reduction, it isn't a helpful one. Labour for hire sure isn't new, neither is exploitation. However the "gig economy" is a new (or newly common) mode of labour, like hourly vs salaried vs piecemeal... modes that existed in the past. There are two approaches: (1) We can argue about what the rules are, ignoring all evidence that the rules are in fact unclear. This has given the gig economy a good decade to operate without labour laws. (2) We can recognize that laws are a decision. We can make these decisions. make new laws that take into account the technology, norms and industries of our time.
- lukeschlather 5y ago
  What is the distinction between the "gig economy" and piecemeal hourly work? I mean, it seems to me the only real difference is that they're billed to the minute which doesn't seem like a difference of kind to me. But then taxis that bill to the minute are not new either, the only difference is how jobs are assigned, the work and compensation is identical .
  - netcan 5y ago
    The distinction is whatever we decide it should be. Maybe they should be covered by the same category. The point is that once these existed, laws should have kept up.
    - xboxnolifes 5y ago
      But, why are we calling this work 'gig economy labor' and not 'piece work labor'? Why is there a conversation at all? Why are we not just saying "This is piece work, treat it as such". If they aren't different, there are no laws to be kept up. That's the question.

the-dude 5y ago

Wijn. Oude wijn in nieuwe zakken

brnt 5y ago
Which leads to the question: why store wine in bags?
- mbg721 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineskin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineskin It was apparently easier for preservation at scale than pots or jars were.
- the-dude 5y ago
  So you can empty them without letting air in. It doesn't break. Actually, wine in bags in boxes is a thing since about 10 years. Works great.

netcan 5y ago

There's a yiddish version of that, but I don't remember exactly. Alte smatesh, noy-something. I have to disagree though. Not that I think you're incorrect. It's neither correct not incorrect. It's a reduction, or essentialization perhaps. Even if it is a correct reduction, it isn't a helpful one. Labour for hire sure isn't new, neither is exploitation. However the "gig economy" is a new (or newly common) mode of labour, like hourly vs salaried vs piecemeal... modes that existed in the past. There are two approaches: (1) We can argue about what the rules are, ignoring all evidence that the rules are in fact unclear. This has given the gig economy a good decade to operate without labour laws. (2) We can recognize that laws are a decision. We can make these decisions. make new laws that take into account the technology, norms and industries of our time.

lukeschlather 5y ago
What is the distinction between the "gig economy" and piecemeal hourly work? I mean, it seems to me the only real difference is that they're billed to the minute which doesn't seem like a difference of kind to me. But then taxis that bill to the minute are not new either, the only difference is how jobs are assigned, the work and compensation is identical .
- netcan 5y ago
  The distinction is whatever we decide it should be. Maybe they should be covered by the same category. The point is that once these existed, laws should have kept up.
  - xboxnolifes 5y ago
    But, why are we calling this work 'gig economy labor' and not 'piece work labor'? Why is there a conversation at all? Why are we not just saying "This is piece work, treat it as such". If they aren't different, there are no laws to be kept up. That's the question.