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Please people, don't downvote this. We all know ivermectin has been "debunked" a lot of time, and yet others people keep reporting that "it works". And among th

by bsaul 5y ago

Please people, don't downvote this. We all know ivermectin has been "debunked" a lot of time, and yet others people keep reporting that "it works". And among those people a lot of them will indeed point out a few videos from japan (and other times india) with "doctors" (don't know who they are) advocating for ivermerctin. So yes, it would be a very interesting data point to know for sure what's the real situation there regarding treatments like ivermectin.

dogleash 5y ago
>it would be a very interesting data point to know for sure what's the real situation there regarding treatments like ivermectin. The efficacy of ivermectin is a proxy war for something that has zero to do with treating a disease. As such, by the time you find a satisfyingly-conclusive answer, you won't actually care anymore.
adevx 5y ago
Clearly there are a lot of doctors that have good experiences with ivermectin. On an FDA approved dosage, it is one of the safest drugs available. Yet there seems to be a crusade against it. It is beyond me why such cheap and safe drug that has helped many, especially in the early stages of a covid19 infection, is being so strongly censored. In the Netherlands, we advise those coming down with covid19 to wait until things get so bad one needs to go to the hospital. Why not try ivermectin at this stage.
- epakai 5y ago
  It has been tried. There are still ongoing trials. The evidence so far points to ivermectin being beneficial for people with parasites suppressing their immune systems. Studies in areas without common parasitic infections tend to show no effect. Basically we have better treatments both in-hospital (remdesivir), and out (monoclonal antibodies, new Pfizer pill soon). Nevermind prevention of serious symptoms with vaccine is our best tool.
  - bsaul 5y ago
    i thought remdesivir has been proven totally useless a while ago ?
    - epakai 5y ago
      It's the treatment my family member received in November. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331674/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331674/ 2021 July. Seems like a reasonable treatment by these measures.
kranke155 5y ago
I don't know what's true or not - one side insists on it, while large scale trials seem to be ongoiong, some have failed, some trials appear to have been fraudulent. Yet some people, including some physicians, seem to insist on it so I'd like to know what's going on. But it's difficult through the fog of misinfo.

by bsaul 5y ago

dogleash 5y ago

>it would be a very interesting data point to know for sure what's the real situation there regarding treatments like ivermectin. The efficacy of ivermectin is a proxy war for something that has zero to do with treating a disease. As such, by the time you find a satisfyingly-conclusive answer, you won't actually care anymore.

adevx 5y ago

Clearly there are a lot of doctors that have good experiences with ivermectin. On an FDA approved dosage, it is one of the safest drugs available. Yet there seems to be a crusade against it. It is beyond me why such cheap and safe drug that has helped many, especially in the early stages of a covid19 infection, is being so strongly censored. In the Netherlands, we advise those coming down with covid19 to wait until things get so bad one needs to go to the hospital. Why not try ivermectin at this stage.

epakai 5y ago
It has been tried. There are still ongoing trials. The evidence so far points to ivermectin being beneficial for people with parasites suppressing their immune systems. Studies in areas without common parasitic infections tend to show no effect. Basically we have better treatments both in-hospital (remdesivir), and out (monoclonal antibodies, new Pfizer pill soon). Nevermind prevention of serious symptoms with vaccine is our best tool.
- bsaul 5y ago
  i thought remdesivir has been proven totally useless a while ago ?
  - epakai 5y ago
    It's the treatment my family member received in November. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331674/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331674/ 2021 July. Seems like a reasonable treatment by these measures.

kranke155 5y ago

I don't know what's true or not - one side insists on it, while large scale trials seem to be ongoiong, some have failed, some trials appear to have been fraudulent. Yet some people, including some physicians, seem to insist on it so I'd like to know what's going on. But it's difficult through the fog of misinfo.