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The "Your editor has DRM" section alone [0] is enough for me to continue to advocate for a better user-friendly FOSS IDE, in addition to the wonderful giants of

The "Your editor has DRM" section alone [0] is enough for me to continue to advocate for a better user-friendly FOSS IDE, in addition to the wonderful giants of emacs & vim, and to avoid the VS Code "kool aid". [0] https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-codes-remote-wsl-for-fun-and-negative-profit/#your-editor-has-drm https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-cod...

jodrellblank 5y ago
VS Code is MIT Licensed - https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode Arguably the MIT license gives you more Freedom than the GPL'd Linux kernel or GNU utilities. Trying to draw a distinction between "evil user-unfriendly Microsoft stuff" and "Holy Saviour FOSS" is not meaningful anymore.
- throw10920 5y ago
  Some parts of VSCode are MIT Licensed - not all of it, and in particular, parts of the standard VSCode that almost everybody downloads are straight-up proprietary, per the article[1]. [1] https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-codes-remote-wsl-for-fun-and-negative-profit/#your-editor-has-drm https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-cod...
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    > "Some parts of VSCode are MIT Licensed - not all of it" The source code, the editor are. This is like Oracle releasing a proprietary plugin for EMACS and distributing it on Oracle Linux, and someone saying "this is bad, we need FOSS editors!". That wouldn't make EMACS not-FOSS. (Is it trolling of me to point out that of course the thing people actually want is not the FOSS bit? There are dozens of editors, people want features not ideology)
throw10920 5y ago
Emacs' TRAMP is remote-access like VSCode server - except in addition to being completely open-source, it also doesn't require that you install anything on the server, which ranges from being annoying to a show-stopper in corporate environments. However...I love Emacs, but as much as I hate to admit it, VSCode's out-of-the-box experience is significantly better than even starter kits like Doom and Spacemacs ): VSCode is far more "user-friendly" than Emacs or Vim at this point in time. That's definitely something that can be changed, but let's not delude ourselves...
vorpalhex 5y ago
VSCodium is a FOSS build of the MIT VSCode repo, with an alternate FOSS compliant extension source. Note that some fancy extensions are missing, but otherwise works 100%. I have been using VSCodium as my main IDE for about a year now. https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/
- j0057 5y ago
  One of those extensions is the one that implements C# debugging, so for C# debugging, VSCodium is a fancy editor, not an IDE.
- executive 5y ago
  Tried this today. Cannot use with Remote-WSL extension & others.
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    Yep, the WSL extensions are closed source and hard locked to the proprietary Microsoft build of VSCode.

jodrellblank 5y ago

VS Code is MIT Licensed - https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode Arguably the MIT license gives you more Freedom than the GPL'd Linux kernel or GNU utilities. Trying to draw a distinction between "evil user-unfriendly Microsoft stuff" and "Holy Saviour FOSS" is not meaningful anymore.

throw10920 5y ago
Some parts of VSCode are MIT Licensed - not all of it, and in particular, parts of the standard VSCode that almost everybody downloads are straight-up proprietary, per the article[1]. [1] https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-codes-remote-wsl-for-fun-and-negative-profit/#your-editor-has-drm https://parsiya.net/blog/2021-12-20-rce-in-visual-studio-cod...
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  > "Some parts of VSCode are MIT Licensed - not all of it" The source code, the editor are. This is like Oracle releasing a proprietary plugin for EMACS and distributing it on Oracle Linux, and someone saying "this is bad, we need FOSS editors!". That wouldn't make EMACS not-FOSS. (Is it trolling of me to point out that of course the thing people actually want is not the FOSS bit? There are dozens of editors, people want features not ideology)

throw10920 5y ago

Emacs' TRAMP is remote-access like VSCode server - except in addition to being completely open-source, it also doesn't require that you install anything on the server, which ranges from being annoying to a show-stopper in corporate environments. However...I love Emacs, but as much as I hate to admit it, VSCode's out-of-the-box experience is significantly better than even starter kits like Doom and Spacemacs ): VSCode is far more "user-friendly" than Emacs or Vim at this point in time. That's definitely something that can be changed, but let's not delude ourselves...

vorpalhex 5y ago

VSCodium is a FOSS build of the MIT VSCode repo, with an alternate FOSS compliant extension source. Note that some fancy extensions are missing, but otherwise works 100%. I have been using VSCodium as my main IDE for about a year now. https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/

j0057 5y ago
One of those extensions is the one that implements C# debugging, so for C# debugging, VSCodium is a fancy editor, not an IDE.
executive 5y ago
Tried this today. Cannot use with Remote-WSL extension & others.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  Yep, the WSL extensions are closed source and hard locked to the proprietary Microsoft build of VSCode.