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The first octopus farm – should it go ahead?

17 points by Amorymeltzer 5y ago

rajekas 5y ago
codevark 5y ago
dunefox 5y ago
With how badly 'farm animals' are treated we shouldn't commit to farming additional animals... especially not octopus which are highly intelligent, although that shouldn't make much of a difference.
akudha 5y ago
In South Korea, the creatures are sometimes eaten alive What the hell. Have we become so cruel to eat animals alive? This just ruined my day.
- sweetheart 5y ago
  Is eating an animal alive really any worse than hammering it to death? Or painfully killing it with carbon dioxide gas? Or swinging it into the concrete floor by the legs? These are things that are done millions and millions of times a year around the entire world. Let’s not pretend only the people that chew animals while they’re alive are reprehensible.
- bboozzoo 5y ago
  How is this even a surprise?
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  Ever had oysters? I understand you think that your day is ruined but my day is ruined by the underlying racism.
  - akudha 5y ago
    What racism? I have never eaten meat in my life, I have no idea if oysters are eaten alive or whatever. I'd react exactly the same about anyone who eats animals alive, whatever their skin color. There is nothing racist about my comment. Please don't imagine or project.
    - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
      I apologize for the projection. To help you understand how it came about: It would have seemed less racist if you had specified that your day was ruined by the discovery of people eating animals alive - exactly as you have in your follow up. Without it, the sentence is ambiguous as to whether your day was ruined by the particular country’s people, their practice, or any eating of animals. The English language isn’t as precise as I would like it to be so again I apologize. Follow up question: How do you feel about your distant ancestral blood relatives eating animals alive?
      - unmole 5y ago
        > What the hell. Have we become so cruel to eat animals alive? This just ruined my day. The comment was clear about what they found upsetting. The only racism is whatever you have imagined.
      - akudha 5y ago
        No worries. Sorry if I reacted strongly. I don’t feel anything about my ancestors. It just feels icky that there are people today, who enjoy chewing animals that are alive. This is not Stone Age and we are not Komodo dragons or pythons. I am against eating meat in general, but that is a topic on its own. There was another discussion here recently about boiling lobsters. That sounded horrific too. What is the point of inflicting this level of cruelty?
        bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
        You reacted appropriately, I reacted strongly. Apologies again! I am thoroughly enjoying this conversation though. One point of rationalization I have been able to articulate is that I find it just as icky to chew plants that are alive (or boiled) as I find it to chew animals/insects that are alive (or boiled). So all else equal I will eat what is tastier to me. Besides ethics, a good reason to inflict a quick death is because a slow death may change the taste of the meat. The point of inflicting that level of cruelty is to cook the meat and make it fit for human consumption. Stabbing it with a knife properly prior to boiling is just as cruel to the lobster because it ends its life. The cruelty is the loss of life, arguing about the cruelty of the method of taking the life is really splitting hairs. Those that don’t condone this level of cruelty and don’t partake are commendable. Those that acknowledge the cruelty and thank the dead animal for its contribution and take steps to not waste any part of the dead animal are also commendable.
sweetheart 5y ago
The hypocrisy of carnists with regard to which animals are okay to farm and which aren’t is infuriating. There is controversy around farming octopi, as if there is any significant moral difference an octopus and a pig? It’s schizophrenic reasoning. We shouldn’t be farming _any_ animal that has the capacity to suffer. I’d almost prefer if folks who eat animals just ate everything and didn’t try to justify to themselves why some animals are okay to farm and others aren’t. At least then we’d have even an iota of consistency. And yes, I know the dietary preferences of westerners do not reflect dietary practices worldwide, but every culture does indeed engage in ridiculous, nonsensical partitioning of the tree of life into edible and inedible animals for no good reasons other than “culture” or “tradition”.
- karmakaze 5y ago
  I see some inconsistency perhaps but wouldn't call it hypocrisy--only a difference in opinion. The general public view is to refrain from consuming very intelligent/cute/young animals off the top of my head. If anything that's a result of applying human emotion/logic to the animals which doesn't seem to be such a bad thing. So much is a grayscale, it's not purely binary where cruelty to the smallest individual insect is the same as to any more complex creature. I'm not saying it's right only that it varies. 'Treehuggers' care for their trees and look down upon those who don't treat them like the animals. Where does all this 'equality' get us?
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  Charismatic megafauna.
pvaldes 5y ago
Spain had invested in octopus breeding research for like twenty years. I'm glad that they finally made it but the obstacles that this people needed to overcome were huge (I have meet some of they personally). Is an example of how you need to support scientists for a LOT of time, so they can bring you lots of money in return. The common chunks ranging between one-three years are useless. > Should it go ahead? Capital uppercase YES. We are trying to save millions of sentient and really smart animals in the planet that could die from famine if we don't bring real solutions.
- libertine 5y ago
  >Capital uppercase YES. We are trying to save millions of sentient and really smart animals in the planet that could die from famine if we don't bring real solutions. Oh yeah, we will save millions of lives by eating octopus - which is viewed as an exquisite dish, grouped with the rest of sea food enterprise. /s Extremely efficient, and totally not to cut costs. /s In fact Pescanova is known for it's quest to end world hunger. ( even more /s)
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    > Oh yeah, we will save millions of lives by eating octopus - which is viewed as an exquisite dish, grouped with the rest of sea food enterprise. /s You may had heard about an organization called FAO. For some reason, they think that seafood is important for humans. https://www.fao.org/home/en https://www.fao.org/home/en But if you don't like it, or this is not in your culture, this is perfectly OK. Just don't eat it and problem solved for everybody.
    - sweetheart 5y ago
      > Just don't eat it and problem solved for everybody. Well, certainly not the octopi.
      - pvaldes 5y ago
        Especially for the octopi. You need to think further

17 points by Amorymeltzer 5y ago

With how badly 'farm animals' are treated we shouldn't commit to farming additional animals... especially not octopus which are highly intelligent, although that shouldn't make much of a difference.

akudha 5y ago

In South Korea, the creatures are sometimes eaten alive What the hell. Have we become so cruel to eat animals alive? This just ruined my day.

sweetheart 5y ago
Is eating an animal alive really any worse than hammering it to death? Or painfully killing it with carbon dioxide gas? Or swinging it into the concrete floor by the legs? These are things that are done millions and millions of times a year around the entire world. Let’s not pretend only the people that chew animals while they’re alive are reprehensible.
bboozzoo 5y ago
How is this even a surprise?
bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
Ever had oysters? I understand you think that your day is ruined but my day is ruined by the underlying racism.
- akudha 5y ago
  What racism? I have never eaten meat in my life, I have no idea if oysters are eaten alive or whatever. I'd react exactly the same about anyone who eats animals alive, whatever their skin color. There is nothing racist about my comment. Please don't imagine or project.
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
    I apologize for the projection. To help you understand how it came about: It would have seemed less racist if you had specified that your day was ruined by the discovery of people eating animals alive - exactly as you have in your follow up. Without it, the sentence is ambiguous as to whether your day was ruined by the particular country’s people, their practice, or any eating of animals. The English language isn’t as precise as I would like it to be so again I apologize. Follow up question: How do you feel about your distant ancestral blood relatives eating animals alive?
    - unmole 5y ago
      > What the hell. Have we become so cruel to eat animals alive? This just ruined my day. The comment was clear about what they found upsetting. The only racism is whatever you have imagined.
    - akudha 5y ago
      No worries. Sorry if I reacted strongly. I don’t feel anything about my ancestors. It just feels icky that there are people today, who enjoy chewing animals that are alive. This is not Stone Age and we are not Komodo dragons or pythons. I am against eating meat in general, but that is a topic on its own. There was another discussion here recently about boiling lobsters. That sounded horrific too. What is the point of inflicting this level of cruelty?
      - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
        You reacted appropriately, I reacted strongly. Apologies again! I am thoroughly enjoying this conversation though. One point of rationalization I have been able to articulate is that I find it just as icky to chew plants that are alive (or boiled) as I find it to chew animals/insects that are alive (or boiled). So all else equal I will eat what is tastier to me. Besides ethics, a good reason to inflict a quick death is because a slow death may change the taste of the meat. The point of inflicting that level of cruelty is to cook the meat and make it fit for human consumption. Stabbing it with a knife properly prior to boiling is just as cruel to the lobster because it ends its life. The cruelty is the loss of life, arguing about the cruelty of the method of taking the life is really splitting hairs. Those that don’t condone this level of cruelty and don’t partake are commendable. Those that acknowledge the cruelty and thank the dead animal for its contribution and take steps to not waste any part of the dead animal are also commendable.

sweetheart 5y ago

The hypocrisy of carnists with regard to which animals are okay to farm and which aren’t is infuriating. There is controversy around farming octopi, as if there is any significant moral difference an octopus and a pig? It’s schizophrenic reasoning. We shouldn’t be farming _any_ animal that has the capacity to suffer. I’d almost prefer if folks who eat animals just ate everything and didn’t try to justify to themselves why some animals are okay to farm and others aren’t. At least then we’d have even an iota of consistency. And yes, I know the dietary preferences of westerners do not reflect dietary practices worldwide, but every culture does indeed engage in ridiculous, nonsensical partitioning of the tree of life into edible and inedible animals for no good reasons other than “culture” or “tradition”.

karmakaze 5y ago
I see some inconsistency perhaps but wouldn't call it hypocrisy--only a difference in opinion. The general public view is to refrain from consuming very intelligent/cute/young animals off the top of my head. If anything that's a result of applying human emotion/logic to the animals which doesn't seem to be such a bad thing. So much is a grayscale, it's not purely binary where cruelty to the smallest individual insect is the same as to any more complex creature. I'm not saying it's right only that it varies. 'Treehuggers' care for their trees and look down upon those who don't treat them like the animals. Where does all this 'equality' get us?
bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
Charismatic megafauna.

pvaldes 5y ago

Spain had invested in octopus breeding research for like twenty years. I'm glad that they finally made it but the obstacles that this people needed to overcome were huge (I have meet some of they personally). Is an example of how you need to support scientists for a LOT of time, so they can bring you lots of money in return. The common chunks ranging between one-three years are useless. > Should it go ahead? Capital uppercase YES. We are trying to save millions of sentient and really smart animals in the planet that could die from famine if we don't bring real solutions.

libertine 5y ago
>Capital uppercase YES. We are trying to save millions of sentient and really smart animals in the planet that could die from famine if we don't bring real solutions. Oh yeah, we will save millions of lives by eating octopus - which is viewed as an exquisite dish, grouped with the rest of sea food enterprise. /s Extremely efficient, and totally not to cut costs. /s In fact Pescanova is known for it's quest to end world hunger. ( even more /s)
- pvaldes 5y ago
  > Oh yeah, we will save millions of lives by eating octopus - which is viewed as an exquisite dish, grouped with the rest of sea food enterprise. /s You may had heard about an organization called FAO. For some reason, they think that seafood is important for humans. https://www.fao.org/home/en https://www.fao.org/home/en But if you don't like it, or this is not in your culture, this is perfectly OK. Just don't eat it and problem solved for everybody.
  - sweetheart 5y ago
    > Just don't eat it and problem solved for everybody. Well, certainly not the octopi.
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      Especially for the octopi. You need to think further