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> I'd say protect the weak properly, have the current vaccination restrictions on everybody, but otherwise let the rest get on with their lives. Even if it mean

by evgen 5y ago

> I'd say protect the weak properly, have the current vaccination restrictions on everybody, but otherwise let the rest get on with their lives. Even if it means some will die. From my perspective its criminal to fuck up children's future even if it would protect their grandparents a bit more. If you are going to go this path then you also need to say that the unvaccinated do not receive covid treatment beyond meds they can take home and stay out of hospitals. The primary concern has not been just how many will die, but the effects of those who do not die upon the rest of the medical system. We must be allowed to deny care to those who choose to put themselves and others at risk to keep medical resources available for everyone else.

zpeti 5y ago
Yeah, good idea. And while you're at it, since 50% of severe cases worldwide are obese people, let's deny care to those as well. And for diabetes too, I mean it's their own fault right? /sarcasm
saiya-jin 5y ago
As sad as it is, prioritization is nothing new in healthcare, you don't have unlimited financial and human resources and amount of health issues far outnumber available care. My cousin died few weeks after being born due to heart defect that was operable, but waiting list was too long and no amount of pleading from parents and grandparents changed her position in that list. Every single old person is a swarm of more or less critical issues that are much better treated among young population. There is a billion of those elders at least. But to state it officially is a political suicide, nobody in elected democracy will do that. Unofficially, its been happening in hospitals since they were created, but for other reasons. One solution might be to actually ramp down covid care, so that rest of healthcare can work as before. This would probably save more lives overall than even the strictest lockdowns. And have some system for covid treatment which prioritizes vaccinated/immunosuppressed at least a bit without stating it in plain sight.

by evgen 5y ago

zpeti 5y ago

Yeah, good idea. And while you're at it, since 50% of severe cases worldwide are obese people, let's deny care to those as well. And for diabetes too, I mean it's their own fault right? /sarcasm

saiya-jin 5y ago

As sad as it is, prioritization is nothing new in healthcare, you don't have unlimited financial and human resources and amount of health issues far outnumber available care. My cousin died few weeks after being born due to heart defect that was operable, but waiting list was too long and no amount of pleading from parents and grandparents changed her position in that list. Every single old person is a swarm of more or less critical issues that are much better treated among young population. There is a billion of those elders at least. But to state it officially is a political suicide, nobody in elected democracy will do that. Unofficially, its been happening in hospitals since they were created, but for other reasons. One solution might be to actually ramp down covid care, so that rest of healthcare can work as before. This would probably save more lives overall than even the strictest lockdowns. And have some system for covid treatment which prioritizes vaccinated/immunosuppressed at least a bit without stating it in plain sight.