5 ms·

Here are more up to date numbers from Denmark in English and Danish: https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/cdn/files/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten

Here are more up to date numbers from Denmark in English and Danish: https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/cdn/files/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten-20122021-9j51.pdf https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/cdn/files/covid19/omikron/statusr... 23038 Omicron cases in total. On December 15 44.1% of confirmed cases were Omicron. The last page has a comparison with Delta on hospitalizations. It finds 1.4% of Delta infections led to hospitalizations compared to 0.5% for Omicron. However, this could be due to the fact that most of the Omicron cases were reported in the last week, and haven't yet 'had the time' to lead to hospitalizations. There's also a lot more infected who has received two or three doses compared to Delta.

hef19898 5y ago
> There's also a lot more infected who has received two or three doses compared to Delta. Might be. At this point I am not motivated to dig into the numbers any more. The important questions, in that regard, for those that are interested is: How many of these of confirmed Omicron cases are double, how many are triple vaccinated? How many people overall are vaccinated? How many confirmed Omicron cases are unvaccinated? Followed by looking at the timeline between positive test / Omicron confirmation and hospitalization and ultimately death. I said it in 2020, in early 2021 and will say it until the day it changes: That nobody in charge is able to give weekly briefings based on hard numbers, properly explaining those I have close to zero confidence the people in charge have this thing under control. And this lack of explanation is one, IMHO the, root cause of the confusion and frustration out there.
- elzbardico 5y ago
  What is more depressing was finding out that we simply don’t have simple, widely accepted and used standards for collecting and reporting data on infectious disease pandemics. The criteria and the metrics change from country to country and even from state to state or even by city in larger countries like the US, India and Brazil. You don’t even have a single, universally agreed upon criteria of what constitutes a death by COVID. And because of that some countries like Sweden probably over-counted deaths while lots of African countries probably under-counted them. It is all an unmitigated mess, compound by widely spread politicization and rent seeking behaviors. It will probably be decades of research before we know what actually happened those last two years.
  - monopoledance 5y ago
    > What is more depressing... Is how nothing really improved in two fucking years. I am completely at loss how this winter is the same or worse than the last one - which itself was going down exactly like predicted a month into the pandemic... I am growing bitter, misanthropic and hateful.
    - elzbardico 5y ago
      At this moment we are probably seeing second order effects were people that should survive the virus are instead dying because the known effects of chronic stress on immune competency. On the other side, I believe that as with masks, lots of people become complacent after vaccination, because they had no idea their efficiency would diminish over time. This false-safety make them more reckless. Making things mandatory, and manipulating people through fear instead of relying on personal responsibility and the natural instinct of self-preservation also made lots of people rebellious and distrustful, making mitigation behaviors an all-or-nothing affair among the population.
      - monopoledance 5y ago
        I disagree with this general sentiment. Nobody gets manipulated through fear. It's incompetent policies, which always try to maximize economic impact in certain sectors and re-electability in certain demographics... instead of clear and continuous leadership, risking prevention-paradox disapproval in the population. Lock-downs too late, too arbitrary; selective economic and social relief; corruption; ... Fucking "personal responsibility" and "freedom(tm)" are the worst ideas in a pandemic, where the way out is inherently a collective endeavor. That thinking is exactly why we can't have nice things, now. 80% are for mandatory vaccinations here - bring it! Bodily autonomy gets limited by far lower approval numbers all the time (see e.g. abortion).

hef19898 5y ago

> There's also a lot more infected who has received two or three doses compared to Delta. Might be. At this point I am not motivated to dig into the numbers any more. The important questions, in that regard, for those that are interested is: How many of these of confirmed Omicron cases are double, how many are triple vaccinated? How many people overall are vaccinated? How many confirmed Omicron cases are unvaccinated? Followed by looking at the timeline between positive test / Omicron confirmation and hospitalization and ultimately death. I said it in 2020, in early 2021 and will say it until the day it changes: That nobody in charge is able to give weekly briefings based on hard numbers, properly explaining those I have close to zero confidence the people in charge have this thing under control. And this lack of explanation is one, IMHO the, root cause of the confusion and frustration out there.

elzbardico 5y ago
What is more depressing was finding out that we simply don’t have simple, widely accepted and used standards for collecting and reporting data on infectious disease pandemics. The criteria and the metrics change from country to country and even from state to state or even by city in larger countries like the US, India and Brazil. You don’t even have a single, universally agreed upon criteria of what constitutes a death by COVID. And because of that some countries like Sweden probably over-counted deaths while lots of African countries probably under-counted them. It is all an unmitigated mess, compound by widely spread politicization and rent seeking behaviors. It will probably be decades of research before we know what actually happened those last two years.
- monopoledance 5y ago
  > What is more depressing... Is how nothing really improved in two fucking years. I am completely at loss how this winter is the same or worse than the last one - which itself was going down exactly like predicted a month into the pandemic... I am growing bitter, misanthropic and hateful.
  - elzbardico 5y ago
    At this moment we are probably seeing second order effects were people that should survive the virus are instead dying because the known effects of chronic stress on immune competency. On the other side, I believe that as with masks, lots of people become complacent after vaccination, because they had no idea their efficiency would diminish over time. This false-safety make them more reckless. Making things mandatory, and manipulating people through fear instead of relying on personal responsibility and the natural instinct of self-preservation also made lots of people rebellious and distrustful, making mitigation behaviors an all-or-nothing affair among the population.
    - monopoledance 5y ago
      I disagree with this general sentiment. Nobody gets manipulated through fear. It's incompetent policies, which always try to maximize economic impact in certain sectors and re-electability in certain demographics... instead of clear and continuous leadership, risking prevention-paradox disapproval in the population. Lock-downs too late, too arbitrary; selective economic and social relief; corruption; ... Fucking "personal responsibility" and "freedom(tm)" are the worst ideas in a pandemic, where the way out is inherently a collective endeavor. That thinking is exactly why we can't have nice things, now. 80% are for mandatory vaccinations here - bring it! Bodily autonomy gets limited by far lower approval numbers all the time (see e.g. abortion).