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my head isn't exploding, this is just a one-dimensional understanding of what conservatism and progressivism are. Institutions aren't conservative just because

my head isn't exploding, this is just a one-dimensional understanding of what conservatism and progressivism are. Institutions aren't conservative just because they're stable or preserve existing power structures. Progressives can be in power and conservatives can be out of power. When it comes to crypto in the US this is is largely the case. It's politically clearly a tool of a self-perceived dissident (libertarian) right that attempts to 'exit' from what they see as progressive establishment institutions.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
Banking regulations are conservative regardless of which party controls the government. The banking regulations proposed by Democrats are actually more conservative than the ones proposed by Republicans, because it's the libertarian wing of the Republican party which is in favor of liberalizing banking regulations. But even when Republicans are in power, that doesn't mean libertarians are, so that generally doesn't happen. Or we get awful "compromise" garbage where no challenge to existing banking institutions is permitted but the incumbents get more latitude to abuse the public in new and creative ways.
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ben_w 5y ago
> this is just a one-dimensional understanding of what conservatism and progressivism are. I think @AnthonyMouse trying to create a label for that axis (necessarily one dimensional), so that’s not really a strong argument against what he’s saying. I think it’s a bad choice of label because — even if I get people to accept that the terms associated with parties are not descriptions of those parties[0] — the opposite of conservative is “dynamic” and the opposite of liberal is “authoritarian”. [0] and indeed the actual party names: the party opposite of “Republican” may be “Democrat” in the USA, yet in Northern Ireland there is no single party with that name and the block opposite the group collectively described as “republican” is the block collectively called “loyalist”, while the historical opposite of “republican” is (IMO) “monarchist”.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago

Banking regulations are conservative regardless of which party controls the government. The banking regulations proposed by Democrats are actually more conservative than the ones proposed by Republicans, because it's the libertarian wing of the Republican party which is in favor of liberalizing banking regulations. But even when Republicans are in power, that doesn't mean libertarians are, so that generally doesn't happen. Or we get awful "compromise" garbage where no challenge to existing banking institutions is permitted but the incumbents get more latitude to abuse the public in new and creative ways.

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ben_w 5y ago

> this is just a one-dimensional understanding of what conservatism and progressivism are. I think @AnthonyMouse trying to create a label for that axis (necessarily one dimensional), so that’s not really a strong argument against what he’s saying. I think it’s a bad choice of label because — even if I get people to accept that the terms associated with parties are not descriptions of those parties[0] — the opposite of conservative is “dynamic” and the opposite of liberal is “authoritarian”. [0] and indeed the actual party names: the party opposite of “Republican” may be “Democrat” in the USA, yet in Northern Ireland there is no single party with that name and the block opposite the group collectively described as “republican” is the block collectively called “loyalist”, while the historical opposite of “republican” is (IMO) “monarchist”.