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Even Ontario has 76% of cases in fully vaccinated while having a 77% full vaccination rate in the population. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data https://covid-19

Even Ontario has 76% of cases in fully vaccinated while having a 77% full vaccination rate in the population. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data Canada had under 10% vaccination till June 10. So vast majority of our vaccinations happened since June 10 and as they wane off in 3-6 months, they are now all getting infected.

jollybean 5y ago
That is basically not true, by your own reference. Did you mix up the colours on the chart? Most of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. Since June, by far most cases are among the unvaccinated. Given a ~75% vaccination rate, the fact that >75% of cases are 'unvaccinated' implies strongly that this is an issue of unvaccinated - both in 'spread' and number hospitalized. The only place the data diverges is in the last 2 weeks - i.e Omicron where the gap is closing with less vaccine protections, however, the data out is indicating the Booster shot is as effective against Omicron as it was against Delta. As Boosters are given out, you'll again see the big gap of spread/hospitalzattions among unvaccinated, with the caveat that Omicron may possibly not be as likely to put people in the hospital.
- busymom0 5y ago
  So you agree that "Given a ~75% vaccination rate, the fact that >75% of cases are 'unvaccinated' implies strongly that this is an issue of unvaccinated - both in 'spread' and number hospitalized." but then you also say "That is basically not true, by your own reference."?? That doesn't make logical sense. Like I have said before, it's a potential severe symptom mitigator which also wanes off over few months. That doesn't mean it prevents transmission or infection. My comment was in reference to "vaccine passports" which make no logical sense when they don't prevent infection or transmission. Also, the hospitalizations and deaths are vastly in elderly, obese or immunocompromised. It makes no sense to force it on young, fit and healthy people, especially not on kids. You are aware that Pfizer is already talking about a 4th shot right? How many more shots do you suggest people should take?
  - jollybean 5y ago
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jollybean 5y ago

That is basically not true, by your own reference. Did you mix up the colours on the chart? Most of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. Since June, by far most cases are among the unvaccinated. Given a ~75% vaccination rate, the fact that >75% of cases are 'unvaccinated' implies strongly that this is an issue of unvaccinated - both in 'spread' and number hospitalized. The only place the data diverges is in the last 2 weeks - i.e Omicron where the gap is closing with less vaccine protections, however, the data out is indicating the Booster shot is as effective against Omicron as it was against Delta. As Boosters are given out, you'll again see the big gap of spread/hospitalzattions among unvaccinated, with the caveat that Omicron may possibly not be as likely to put people in the hospital.

busymom0 5y ago
So you agree that "Given a ~75% vaccination rate, the fact that >75% of cases are 'unvaccinated' implies strongly that this is an issue of unvaccinated - both in 'spread' and number hospitalized." but then you also say "That is basically not true, by your own reference."?? That doesn't make logical sense. Like I have said before, it's a potential severe symptom mitigator which also wanes off over few months. That doesn't mean it prevents transmission or infection. My comment was in reference to "vaccine passports" which make no logical sense when they don't prevent infection or transmission. Also, the hospitalizations and deaths are vastly in elderly, obese or immunocompromised. It makes no sense to force it on young, fit and healthy people, especially not on kids. You are aware that Pfizer is already talking about a 4th shot right? How many more shots do you suggest people should take?
- jollybean 5y ago
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