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> the mess of an organization Management is responsible for the organization, hence why comments about how hard it is to deal with a messy organization tend to
by aahortwwy 5y ago
> the mess of an organization
Management is responsible for the organization, hence why comments about how hard it is to deal with a messy organization tend to fall on unsympathetic ears.
- sa46 5y agoJust as developers are responsible for the codebase. Yet folks seem rather receptive to the concept of technical debt. It’s not much of stretch to imagine organizational debt caused by pesky human problems.
- aahortwwy 5y agoI'm not denying the existence of organizational debt. I'm saying managers justifying how important and difficult their jobs are by pointing to all the organizational debt they deal with are missing the point.
- spenczar5 5y agoI agree that’s what happens in practice, but it’s quite silly. The right organizational structure depends on the problems being solved, but the business’s problems are always changing - either because of new technology, or competitors, or changing economics, or something else. Tech moves ludicrously fast, so the structure put in place 5 years ago is unlikely to make sense today.
- aahortwwy 5y agoIt's not just structure. A shocking number of managers don't even manage. They just run around putting out fires caused by a lack of management. Organizations can get stuck in this mode and it's really hard to pull them out of it, for sure, but just because someone's navigating a stressful and dysfunctional organization doesn't necessarily mean they're doing a great job at management.