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I appreciate your response, and also that you posted the article in the first place. I think civil discussion is a good thing, especially among parties who dis

by nkurz 5y ago

I appreciate your response, and also that you posted the article in the first place. I think civil discussion is a good thing, especially among parties who disagree. It is beyond dispute the rioters intentionally acted in a way that placed the lives of the the capitol officers at extreme risk. Yes, I think this is a reasonable summary, and a good start to reaching common understanding. It's not murder, but it's very wrong, and should be punished. Police officers were murdered. This, though, is both inflammatory and false. It's the sort of thing you'd say if your intent is to provoke a civil war, rather than prevent one. I'd rather prevent one. I hope that's your goal as well?

vanusa 5y ago
I hope that's your goal as well? Absolutely, and I appreciate you civility as well. As to this statement, which wasn't mine: Police officers were murdered. I would agree that it is inflammatory; but "false" -- only as a technicality. It was an emotional reaction to an orchestrated act of mass violence (that some people, in this very thread, was saying wasn't violent at all). As a result of which, between 1 and 5 people on the defending side (depending how you count the suicides) lost their lives -- unjustly. Furthermore: those who incited this attack (or delayed a more vigorous response to it) are, in part, responsible for these deaths -- and should be held accountable. That's what I see as important. That some people hyperbolize a bit, and use the phrase "murder" -- I just don't see as very important. Especially when they were responding to someone who was basically gaslighting, and attempting to deny that there was anything especially unruly about the "group" of people who visited the capital that day -- with their "cameras and water bottles". That kind of feigned ignorance I do consider to be much more inflammatory.

by nkurz 5y ago

vanusa 5y ago

I hope that's your goal as well? Absolutely, and I appreciate you civility as well. As to this statement, which wasn't mine: Police officers were murdered. I would agree that it is inflammatory; but "false" -- only as a technicality. It was an emotional reaction to an orchestrated act of mass violence (that some people, in this very thread, was saying wasn't violent at all). As a result of which, between 1 and 5 people on the defending side (depending how you count the suicides) lost their lives -- unjustly. Furthermore: those who incited this attack (or delayed a more vigorous response to it) are, in part, responsible for these deaths -- and should be held accountable. That's what I see as important. That some people hyperbolize a bit, and use the phrase "murder" -- I just don't see as very important. Especially when they were responding to someone who was basically gaslighting, and attempting to deny that there was anything especially unruly about the "group" of people who visited the capital that day -- with their "cameras and water bottles". That kind of feigned ignorance I do consider to be much more inflammatory.