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It is stuff like this, where they take perfectly usable hardware and turn it into a paperweight that exposes the hypocrisy of any of their pro environment/green

It is stuff like this, where they take perfectly usable hardware and turn it into a paperweight that exposes the hypocrisy of any of their pro environment/green talk. The right thing to do would be to give us the option of uploading firmware that allows us to update settings etc. after that date like is done with older routers.

quaintdev 5y ago
On their search page they mention that they have been carbon neutral since 2007. I had like to ask them what about the millions of perfectly usable phones that had to be ditched because of Android and the vendor lock ins.
- 14 5y ago
  Carbon neutral is not the same as filling the landfill with plastic and electronic waste. Just because they use solar power for energy has little to do with other environmental impacts.
- bragr 5y ago
  The answer is carbon offsets Whether carbon offsets actually work is another issue though
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Most of them don't. Loopholes allow dxisting forests to be used to create huge amount of carbon credits without doing anything. Everyone knows but hardly anyone cares. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994774148/emission-impossible https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994774148/emission-impossible
    - crygin 5y ago
      Even if forests are planted, climate change will burn them to the ground regardless. It already is: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/wildfires-rage-carbon-credits-500830 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/wildfires-rage-carb...
- throwDec19 5y ago
  Chromebooks too. 6.5 years after the first unit is sold. So if you buy a model that's a few years old you'll only get a few years out of it.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    On the bright side, Chromebooks often make great Linux devices if they have a good coreboot build available.
- sieabahlpark 5y ago
- ocdtrekkie 5y ago
  Here's the secret: Androids, Chromebooks, OnHubs, etc, are all manufactured by third parties. I suspect they do not calculate the vast majority of landfilled "Google products" as part of their carbon footprint, despite being entirely responsible for when they end up getting thrown out. Just like outsourcing mistreated contractors, Google uses third party companies to shift and hide blame.

quaintdev 5y ago

On their search page they mention that they have been carbon neutral since 2007. I had like to ask them what about the millions of perfectly usable phones that had to be ditched because of Android and the vendor lock ins.

14 5y ago
Carbon neutral is not the same as filling the landfill with plastic and electronic waste. Just because they use solar power for energy has little to do with other environmental impacts.
bragr 5y ago
The answer is carbon offsets Whether carbon offsets actually work is another issue though
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Most of them don't. Loopholes allow dxisting forests to be used to create huge amount of carbon credits without doing anything. Everyone knows but hardly anyone cares. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994774148/emission-impossible https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994774148/emission-impossible
  - crygin 5y ago
    Even if forests are planted, climate change will burn them to the ground regardless. It already is: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/wildfires-rage-carbon-credits-500830 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/wildfires-rage-carb...
throwDec19 5y ago
Chromebooks too. 6.5 years after the first unit is sold. So if you buy a model that's a few years old you'll only get a few years out of it.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  On the bright side, Chromebooks often make great Linux devices if they have a good coreboot build available.
sieabahlpark 5y ago
ocdtrekkie 5y ago
Here's the secret: Androids, Chromebooks, OnHubs, etc, are all manufactured by third parties. I suspect they do not calculate the vast majority of landfilled "Google products" as part of their carbon footprint, despite being entirely responsible for when they end up getting thrown out. Just like outsourcing mistreated contractors, Google uses third party companies to shift and hide blame.