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But that's your opinion and works for you. Why would you enforce your opinion on others ? Some people don't have a life outside work. It is a reality. Why shame

But that's your opinion and works for you. Why would you enforce your opinion on others ? Some people don't have a life outside work. It is a reality. Why shame them in "get a life" if all they want to do is to socialize a bit at work where they spend so much time.

dv_dt 5y ago
Because it creates an environment to spend more time at work and can result in work that is less productive for everyone and less healthy.
- codegeek 5y ago
  Again, an opinion which you are free to have but you cannot speak for others. Lot of people spend time at work and feel productive. When they go home, they are home. No laptop nothing in many cases. I would rather spend an extra hour at work than going home and again working.
  - decafninja 5y ago
    On the other hand, you can also argue that people who want to WFO to get their dose of social interaction are forcing those who would want to WFH to provide that dose when they would rather not. That seems to be the mismatch in many WFH vs. WFO vs. "do what you want" arguments. The people that want WFO need the majority of their coworkers to also WFO to get whatever benefit they derive from WFO. In a flexible setting where you can choose to WFO or WFH, what happens to the WFO person when the majority of their coworkers choose to WFH? On the other hand, the WFH person could care less if their coworkers are WFO or WFH.
    - rabuse 5y ago
      Great point.
  - dv_dt 5y ago
    I am speaking for myself. Having many others working extra long hours to extend social time creates pressure on others that they need to do the same. I have worked in such an environment before and it’s a big negative. In my experience it also tends to make people plan less thoroughly because hey we’ll be in the office to fix any problems.
ianleeclark 5y ago
> Why shame them in "get a life" if all they want to do is to socialize a bit at work where they spend so much time. The people who don't want to socialize at work will find themselves being socialized with. I understand the feeling somewhat, and I imagine a lot of others might, as well. Everyone's had situations where they've felt compelled to feign friendliness with others who they had no interest speaking with.
cpursley 5y ago
Why should people's lack of social skills ruin it for the rest of us (and the environment)?
brigandish 5y ago
I didn’t read anything like their trying shame anyone nor trying to enforce their opinion on anyone. It was a reasonable suggestion based on the situation given and their experience. I have another - if one likes their coworkers that much then arrange to meet up with them, either to work together or simply to hang out.
- sharadov 5y ago
  Thanks, I consider myself an extrovert, so it's not for a lack of trying. It's because I moved and my remote job means that I am 3000 miles away from any coworkers.
  - brigandish 5y ago
    Of course, I wouldn't blame you! I'm sure that if you persevere you'll find the right conditions to make something happen. You might try joining a local tech meeting. I often (or used to, prior to the pandemic) see people arrange to meet up in a cafe or coworking space, even if they're not working together or on similar kinds of projects, just to be able to get some input and camaraderie while working. However, I have found fellow developers to be among the most fearful/risk-averse people during the pandemic (sadly, without much (good) justification) so it may be difficult.

dv_dt 5y ago

Because it creates an environment to spend more time at work and can result in work that is less productive for everyone and less healthy.

codegeek 5y ago
Again, an opinion which you are free to have but you cannot speak for others. Lot of people spend time at work and feel productive. When they go home, they are home. No laptop nothing in many cases. I would rather spend an extra hour at work than going home and again working.
- decafninja 5y ago
  On the other hand, you can also argue that people who want to WFO to get their dose of social interaction are forcing those who would want to WFH to provide that dose when they would rather not. That seems to be the mismatch in many WFH vs. WFO vs. "do what you want" arguments. The people that want WFO need the majority of their coworkers to also WFO to get whatever benefit they derive from WFO. In a flexible setting where you can choose to WFO or WFH, what happens to the WFO person when the majority of their coworkers choose to WFH? On the other hand, the WFH person could care less if their coworkers are WFO or WFH.
  - rabuse 5y ago
    Great point.
- dv_dt 5y ago
  I am speaking for myself. Having many others working extra long hours to extend social time creates pressure on others that they need to do the same. I have worked in such an environment before and it’s a big negative. In my experience it also tends to make people plan less thoroughly because hey we’ll be in the office to fix any problems.

ianleeclark 5y ago

> Why shame them in "get a life" if all they want to do is to socialize a bit at work where they spend so much time. The people who don't want to socialize at work will find themselves being socialized with. I understand the feeling somewhat, and I imagine a lot of others might, as well. Everyone's had situations where they've felt compelled to feign friendliness with others who they had no interest speaking with.

cpursley 5y ago

Why should people's lack of social skills ruin it for the rest of us (and the environment)?

brigandish 5y ago

I didn’t read anything like their trying shame anyone nor trying to enforce their opinion on anyone. It was a reasonable suggestion based on the situation given and their experience. I have another - if one likes their coworkers that much then arrange to meet up with them, either to work together or simply to hang out.

sharadov 5y ago
Thanks, I consider myself an extrovert, so it's not for a lack of trying. It's because I moved and my remote job means that I am 3000 miles away from any coworkers.
- brigandish 5y ago
  Of course, I wouldn't blame you! I'm sure that if you persevere you'll find the right conditions to make something happen. You might try joining a local tech meeting. I often (or used to, prior to the pandemic) see people arrange to meet up in a cafe or coworking space, even if they're not working together or on similar kinds of projects, just to be able to get some input and camaraderie while working. However, I have found fellow developers to be among the most fearful/risk-averse people during the pandemic (sadly, without much (good) justification) so it may be difficult.