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My left-leaning family is terrified that Trump is building a literal army to blitzkrieg through the country, Which is perfectly understandable, given that he d

by vanusa 5y ago

My left-leaning family is terrified that Trump is building a literal army to blitzkrieg through the country, Which is perfectly understandable, given that he did, in fact, incite a literal army to blitzkrieg through the Capitol.

boppo1 5y ago
Jan 6 was an clearly a legitimately attempted coup but > literal army to blitzkrieg is exaggerating to the point of offense.
- vanusa 5y ago
chrismcb 5y ago
He did not in fact incite anyone, not even a figurative army. Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. Not a blitzkrieg and certainly not an army.
- vanusa 5y ago
  Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. This is just nuts, of course. This "group" literally battered the doors down, using objects a lot larger than "bottles and cameras". As you are presumably perfectly aware.
  - rabuse 5y ago
    Now discuss the marxist groups that took over entire city blocks in Portland, where people were actively being shot.
- more_corn 5y ago
  Wait what? “Go to the Capitol and fight like hell” is not inciting? Are you delusional? Armed with water bottles? Are you high? People bright bombs. Police officers were murdered. One person attempting to break through a door and attack congress was shot and killed. Don’t try to gaslight and don’t try to minimize. That won’t work here.
  - nkurz 5y ago
    Police officers were murdered. Could you defend this part of your claim with some links? You used the term "officers", which is clearly plural, and use the verb "murder", which has a specific legal meaning. I think this is one of the areas where people seem to be basing their views on different sets of facts. My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. To my knowledge, none of the rioters have been charged with murder, much less convicted. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? I don't think this is true. While I'm eager to see anyone who participated in a violent attack on an officer thrown into jail for a very long time, my understanding is that only one officer died, and the coroner concluded that this was not because of any injury sustained in the event. If I'm wrong about this, I'd take it as a major sign that I misunderstand the events that took place. If you are wrong, I'd hope you'd take it as a similar sign that you should re-evalulate.
    - vanusa 5y ago
      My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick Within hours of his death, the Capitol Police released a statement that the death was "due to injuries sustained while on-duty", when he was "physically engaging with protesters" at the Capitol.[10] The next day, the U.S. Justice Department attributed the death "to the injuries he suffered defending the U.S. Capitol, against the violent mob who stormed it".[11] It is true that the Medical Examiner initially said the death was due to "natural causes"; but then he later said that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." So it would appear he was mincing his words, to say the least (more like blatantly contradicting himself). In addition, 4 officers died by suicide in the months following the attack. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? It is beyond dispute the rioters intentionally acted in a way that placed the lives of the the capitol officers at extreme risk. Whether the 5 subsequent deaths meet the legal definition or premeditated homicide is of lesser importance. And practically speaking, splitting hairs.
      - 5y ago

by vanusa 5y ago

boppo1 5y ago

Jan 6 was an clearly a legitimately attempted coup but > literal army to blitzkrieg is exaggerating to the point of offense.

vanusa 5y ago

chrismcb 5y ago

He did not in fact incite anyone, not even a figurative army. Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. Not a blitzkrieg and certainly not an army.

vanusa 5y ago
Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. This is just nuts, of course. This "group" literally battered the doors down, using objects a lot larger than "bottles and cameras". As you are presumably perfectly aware.
- rabuse 5y ago
  Now discuss the marxist groups that took over entire city blocks in Portland, where people were actively being shot.
more_corn 5y ago
Wait what? “Go to the Capitol and fight like hell” is not inciting? Are you delusional? Armed with water bottles? Are you high? People bright bombs. Police officers were murdered. One person attempting to break through a door and attack congress was shot and killed. Don’t try to gaslight and don’t try to minimize. That won’t work here.
- nkurz 5y ago
  Police officers were murdered. Could you defend this part of your claim with some links? You used the term "officers", which is clearly plural, and use the verb "murder", which has a specific legal meaning. I think this is one of the areas where people seem to be basing their views on different sets of facts. My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. To my knowledge, none of the rioters have been charged with murder, much less convicted. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? I don't think this is true. While I'm eager to see anyone who participated in a violent attack on an officer thrown into jail for a very long time, my understanding is that only one officer died, and the coroner concluded that this was not because of any injury sustained in the event. If I'm wrong about this, I'd take it as a major sign that I misunderstand the events that took place. If you are wrong, I'd hope you'd take it as a similar sign that you should re-evalulate.
  - vanusa 5y ago
    My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick Within hours of his death, the Capitol Police released a statement that the death was "due to injuries sustained while on-duty", when he was "physically engaging with protesters" at the Capitol.[10] The next day, the U.S. Justice Department attributed the death "to the injuries he suffered defending the U.S. Capitol, against the violent mob who stormed it".[11] It is true that the Medical Examiner initially said the death was due to "natural causes"; but then he later said that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." So it would appear he was mincing his words, to say the least (more like blatantly contradicting himself). In addition, 4 officers died by suicide in the months following the attack. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? It is beyond dispute the rioters intentionally acted in a way that placed the lives of the the capitol officers at extreme risk. Whether the 5 subsequent deaths meet the legal definition or premeditated homicide is of lesser importance. And practically speaking, splitting hairs.
    - 5y ago