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I've seen similar headlines from NYT and WaPo. I think this is irresponsible journalism. I live in a very divided swing state and while some conversations are u

by boppo1 5y ago

I've seen similar headlines from NYT and WaPo. I think this is irresponsible journalism. I live in a very divided swing state and while some conversations are uncomfortable, no one wants war or thinks it's necessary. I only ever see news headlines and online-political-radicals (both left & right) making this claim. My left-leaning family is terrified that Trump is building a literal army to blitzkrieg through the country, and my right-leaning family believes Biden's tuesday announcement will be about covid camps and strict federal limitations on interstate travel. It's unclear even where the boundary for 'sides' would fall. Anti-racists vs everyone who isn't 100% onboard with race essentialism? Vaxxers vs non vaxxers? gun owners vs controllers? Fundamentalist Roe v Wade repealers against everyone else? Climate change denires vs green energy people? I don't think any of those align on exact, or even similar axes. It's just more & more fear-based "news". I can only assume it's because legacy outlets can hardly turn a buck these days. I can't figure out what the motivation would be otherwise.

vanusa 5y ago
My left-leaning family is terrified that Trump is building a literal army to blitzkrieg through the country, Which is perfectly understandable, given that he did, in fact, incite a literal army to blitzkrieg through the Capitol.
- boppo1 5y ago
  Jan 6 was an clearly a legitimately attempted coup but > literal army to blitzkrieg is exaggerating to the point of offense.
  - vanusa 5y ago
- chrismcb 5y ago
  He did not in fact incite anyone, not even a figurative army. Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. Not a blitzkrieg and certainly not an army.
  - vanusa 5y ago
    Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. This is just nuts, of course. This "group" literally battered the doors down, using objects a lot larger than "bottles and cameras". As you are presumably perfectly aware.
    - rabuse 5y ago
      Now discuss the marxist groups that took over entire city blocks in Portland, where people were actively being shot.
  - more_corn 5y ago
    Wait what? “Go to the Capitol and fight like hell” is not inciting? Are you delusional? Armed with water bottles? Are you high? People bright bombs. Police officers were murdered. One person attempting to break through a door and attack congress was shot and killed. Don’t try to gaslight and don’t try to minimize. That won’t work here.
    - nkurz 5y ago
      Police officers were murdered. Could you defend this part of your claim with some links? You used the term "officers", which is clearly plural, and use the verb "murder", which has a specific legal meaning. I think this is one of the areas where people seem to be basing their views on different sets of facts. My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. To my knowledge, none of the rioters have been charged with murder, much less convicted. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? I don't think this is true. While I'm eager to see anyone who participated in a violent attack on an officer thrown into jail for a very long time, my understanding is that only one officer died, and the coroner concluded that this was not because of any injury sustained in the event. If I'm wrong about this, I'd take it as a major sign that I misunderstand the events that took place. If you are wrong, I'd hope you'd take it as a similar sign that you should re-evalulate.
      - 5y ago

by boppo1 5y ago

vanusa 5y ago

My left-leaning family is terrified that Trump is building a literal army to blitzkrieg through the country, Which is perfectly understandable, given that he did, in fact, incite a literal army to blitzkrieg through the Capitol.

boppo1 5y ago
Jan 6 was an clearly a legitimately attempted coup but > literal army to blitzkrieg is exaggerating to the point of offense.
- vanusa 5y ago
chrismcb 5y ago
He did not in fact incite anyone, not even a figurative army. Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. Not a blitzkrieg and certainly not an army.
- vanusa 5y ago
  Yes a group of people, armed with water bottles and cameras infiltrated the Capitol. This is just nuts, of course. This "group" literally battered the doors down, using objects a lot larger than "bottles and cameras". As you are presumably perfectly aware.
  - rabuse 5y ago
    Now discuss the marxist groups that took over entire city blocks in Portland, where people were actively being shot.
- more_corn 5y ago
  Wait what? “Go to the Capitol and fight like hell” is not inciting? Are you delusional? Armed with water bottles? Are you high? People bright bombs. Police officers were murdered. One person attempting to break through a door and attack congress was shot and killed. Don’t try to gaslight and don’t try to minimize. That won’t work here.
  - nkurz 5y ago
    Police officers were murdered. Could you defend this part of your claim with some links? You used the term "officers", which is clearly plural, and use the verb "murder", which has a specific legal meaning. I think this is one of the areas where people seem to be basing their views on different sets of facts. My belief is that despite some initial reporting, no police officers were killed by the crowd. To my knowledge, none of the rioters have been charged with murder, much less convicted. Is your belief that multiple police officers were intentionally killed by rioters? I don't think this is true. While I'm eager to see anyone who participated in a violent attack on an officer thrown into jail for a very long time, my understanding is that only one officer died, and the coroner concluded that this was not because of any injury sustained in the event. If I'm wrong about this, I'd take it as a major sign that I misunderstand the events that took place. If you are wrong, I'd hope you'd take it as a similar sign that you should re-evalulate.
    - 5y ago