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5 years ago, I started raising this topic. People said, "It can't happen here" 4 years later, they got an insurrection which was few hours away from something

5 years ago, I started raising this topic. People said, "It can't happen here" 4 years later, they got an insurrection which was few hours away from something way more serious. The harder people want to believe into "It can't happen here," the more likely it is going to happen.

ryan93 5y ago
The argument for a civil war is an insurrection where 80% stood around then left after an hour? The people who stole stuff, broke stuff assaulted police absolutely deserve prosecution(I’m not some Jan 6 truther). Absurd to think civil war is likely because a bunch of uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd.
- labster 5y ago
  Uncoordinated idiots following a crowd is exactly how civil uprisings start.
  - ryan93 5y ago
    I mean literally following a crowd into a capital.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  >uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd That's one of the most dangerous things in history.
- baybal2 5y ago
  > Absurd to think civil war is likely because a bunch of uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd. Not a bunch of uncoordinated idiots, but multiple insubordinating military, and law enforcement units, with one general ready to subvert the primacy of civilian leadership. This is way more scary than "a bunch of uncoordinated idiots."
ars 5y ago
> they got an insurrection which was few hours away from something way more serious. From what? Even if they took over the building they would not have accomplished anything anyway. What are you thinking they would have accomplished in a few hours? Let's say for the sake of argument they decided to just let them be - no police move in, no military, just let them be in the building, what would have happened next?
- baybal2 5y ago
  > Let's say for the sake of argument they decided to just let them be - no police move in, no military, just let them be in the building, what would have happened next? That's exactly the catastrophic scenario: multiple military, law enforcement units wilfully insubordinating, for the whole country, and other people in uniform to see. Imagine what were to happen if that lasted for a few more hours? More military units, and more people in uniform would've reneged on their duty. What will happen then when somebody finally will comply with orders, and turn guns on those who didn't? They will shoot back. If the history tell anything, this is how civil wars are often started in Americas: the 1828 Colombia civil war, second Venezuela civil war, Bolivian civil war, the 1000 day war, Chilean civil war. It almost always the same — One group of riled up soldiers comes to the square, another sent to flush them our, but it reneges too. More, and more soldiers are sent, snowballing until somebody fires the first shot, starting a massacre. And then nations break along the lines of loyalty to the official government, and an alternative one.
  - ars 5y ago
    That's quite an extrapolation. You think there was even a remote possibility that the military would have joined them? I don't. To me these were a bunch of hooligans or rioters, not an organized group that anyone else would actually think of joining.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      You seen multiple national guard unit commanders evading orders, bidding their time to see who comes on top of that mess — in the history of US military such conduct is unheard of.

ryan93 5y ago

The argument for a civil war is an insurrection where 80% stood around then left after an hour? The people who stole stuff, broke stuff assaulted police absolutely deserve prosecution(I’m not some Jan 6 truther). Absurd to think civil war is likely because a bunch of uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd.

labster 5y ago
Uncoordinated idiots following a crowd is exactly how civil uprisings start.
- ryan93 5y ago
  I mean literally following a crowd into a capital.
happytoexplain 5y ago
>uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd That's one of the most dangerous things in history.
baybal2 5y ago
> Absurd to think civil war is likely because a bunch of uncoordinated idiots followed the crowd. Not a bunch of uncoordinated idiots, but multiple insubordinating military, and law enforcement units, with one general ready to subvert the primacy of civilian leadership. This is way more scary than "a bunch of uncoordinated idiots."

ars 5y ago

> they got an insurrection which was few hours away from something way more serious. From what? Even if they took over the building they would not have accomplished anything anyway. What are you thinking they would have accomplished in a few hours? Let's say for the sake of argument they decided to just let them be - no police move in, no military, just let them be in the building, what would have happened next?

baybal2 5y ago
> Let's say for the sake of argument they decided to just let them be - no police move in, no military, just let them be in the building, what would have happened next? That's exactly the catastrophic scenario: multiple military, law enforcement units wilfully insubordinating, for the whole country, and other people in uniform to see. Imagine what were to happen if that lasted for a few more hours? More military units, and more people in uniform would've reneged on their duty. What will happen then when somebody finally will comply with orders, and turn guns on those who didn't? They will shoot back. If the history tell anything, this is how civil wars are often started in Americas: the 1828 Colombia civil war, second Venezuela civil war, Bolivian civil war, the 1000 day war, Chilean civil war. It almost always the same — One group of riled up soldiers comes to the square, another sent to flush them our, but it reneges too. More, and more soldiers are sent, snowballing until somebody fires the first shot, starting a massacre. And then nations break along the lines of loyalty to the official government, and an alternative one.
- ars 5y ago
  That's quite an extrapolation. You think there was even a remote possibility that the military would have joined them? I don't. To me these were a bunch of hooligans or rioters, not an organized group that anyone else would actually think of joining.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    You seen multiple national guard unit commanders evading orders, bidding their time to see who comes on top of that mess — in the history of US military such conduct is unheard of.